Any young people on here?

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Ben Shirley
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Any young people on here?

Post by Ben Shirley »

I just thought it would be worth asking. By 'young', I suppose I mean under 30. I've been fortunate to make one very good friend through this forum, but my friends from the years B.C. (before Covid) have proven to be nothing other than a huge disappointment during lockdown.

JuliusMajorian
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Yes, I myself am in my early twenties. However don't count on the support of the young as a whole

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Late 30s with a mental age of 17, here. That counts, right? :-D

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Post by Eddie »

I'm 30 (if that counts as young). I only have a few friends who I know for sure are vehement lockdown sceptics. But I do increasingly get the sense that a lot of my peers have become quite cynical about the Covid response. I posted a short anti-lockdown essay on FB a couple of months ago and was bracing myself for a torrent of abuse. I was pleasantly surprised to receive plenty of 'likes' and positive comments. The only negative reaction I got was from a couple of incredulous sounding people asking me to provide evidence for some of my claims. That gave me hope that there are quite a lot of dormant sceptics out there who just need a little push...

...although that hope soon evaporates when I read the comments on a BBC Covid article :roll:

Ben Shirley
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Thanks for your replies. Good to know there are at least three of us! Can I ask what led you towards lockdown-scepticism, and how you've found the job of assuming a role similar to Dr. Stockmann in An Enemy of the People?

With me, I'm 23 and I've been a libertarian since I started to develop a political conscience as a teenager so I was completely aghast when the idea of a lockdown was first mooted, regardless of the personal consequences for me, but it was even harder to express the opinion then than it is right now. The impending horror was obvious - the economic disaster, the unnecessary deaths, the neglect of the elderly and all the misery that has gone hand-in-hand with every instance of totalitarianism throughout history. My family all blindly accepted that it would be for "the greater good", but luckily I didn't have to worry too much about losing friends because playing the 'evil, heartless right-winger' stock character had ensured I never had too many in the first place.

I've juggled two jobs, as a freelance motoring journalist with extra income from working as a shelf-stacker in Sainsbury's. The Sainsbury's job kept me going through the spring while all the events I would have covered for magazines were cancelled and the people I needed to visit were hiding in their emergency bunkers. Now I depend on my meagre journalistic income because I walked out of Sainsbury's when they tried forcing me to wear a mask. Everyone thinks it was a stupid decision, but my conscience forbids me from being complicit in any part of this vile, deplorable game. At least my family has come round to the idea that lockdowns are stupid now, but they still want to be seen to comply just to avoid hassle.

I'm just interested to know what other young people are thinking, that's all.

Reyne
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Post by Reyne »

You can count four to that. Thank goodness I've found a forum like this, think I'll settle in just nicely here with some like-minded people. Anyway, I'm also a twenty-something year old who has been shocked, but not surprised, at the complicity of my generation to go along with these ridiculous and economically damaging measures. You'll be glad to know, Ben, that I'm also the 'heartless, right-winger' in my own group of friends, which basically means that no one listens to me until it's too late to organise any lawful resistance.

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Hi, bit late to this but I'm in my early 20's. I began a PhD last year and can completely relate to being the 'heartless, right-winger' in my group of friends, though I tend to be secretive about my views (even though they all come from a place of genuinely caring about people and 'the truth'). As a mathematician I'm also horrified by the butchering of statistics by the government and media, the blind faith people have in science and its 'purity' when I know how many bad papers are published everyday and how open to misinterpretation and bias science is, and also simply the complete lack of common sense and reason. I do actually think that by any reasonable metric I am left wing (not that that matters), but over time the number of (often arbitrary and not even intrinsically left wing) views you need to possess in order to be considered 'on the left' has massively grown and without any one of them you're immediately dehumanised and assumed to be a raving racist, sexist, uncaring right winger, to the extent that the default reaction to any form of dissent seems to be to accuse the offender of indirectly killing people. However, I still think this also comes from a place of caring about people, or at least wanting to fit in, so I can understand it, but it is really hurtful to know that many of my friends and loved ones would think I was those things if I was honest about my views, and it would be nice to be extended the same empathy. I'm lucky though that my boyfriend shares my views so I've been able to rant about things to him throughout lockdown.

Universities are a hotbed for this kind of extremist thinking so I've noticed it grow for a while now (at the start of my undergrad I even positively went along with it), but the covid crisis has brought a lot of it to a head, particularly since the left-wingers have adopted it as one of their issues (despite the working classes being the worst affected by it so I still think a true left-winger would be against lockdown), so are using their 'dissent is murder' tactic to silence us. I suspect a lot of the same left wing extremists that I watched flourish during my undergrad are now writing for the BBC. However, I'm still alarmed by how quickly things have accelerated, I'd always assumed that the older, wiser generations would step in at some point but they don't seem to have done so. I've even tried to convince myself that lockdown is a good thing just as it would be a lot more tolerable and less frightening if I felt like it was actually saving lives and that we would be given our freedom back at 'the end', and it would be nice to be on the 'good side' for once. I've gone along with all of the regulations so far just as I don't want to be angrily confonted about not wearing a mask etc, as I accept that I might be wrong about things, and I don't want to make anyone fear for their lives (rationally or irrationally), but I'm starting to think I should take more of a stand, so do let me know if anyone's organising something (or just wants to meet up to rant)!

Illimitible
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Post by Illimitible »

Don’t underestimate ego investment.

Critical thought is discouraged and people are trained to be sheep. Believe and do as they are told.

If you challenge this (in a way they never have) then you call into question their entire existence.

That’s why they act so aggressively towards it.

Good luck!


abi255 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:31 pm Hi, bit late to this but I'm in my early 20's. I began a PhD last year and can completely relate to being the 'heartless, right-winger' in my group of friends, though I tend to be secretive about my views (even though they all come from a place of genuinely caring about people and 'the truth'). As a mathematician I'm also horrified by the butchering of statistics by the government and media, the blind faith people have in science and its 'purity' when I know how many bad papers are published everyday and how open to misinterpretation and bias science is, and also simply the complete lack of common sense and reason. I do actually think that by any reasonable metric I am left wing (not that that matters), but over time the number of (often arbitrary and not even intrinsically left wing) views you need to possess in order to be considered 'on the left' has massively grown and without any one of them you're immediately dehumanised and assumed to be a raving racist, sexist, uncaring right winger, to the extent that the default reaction to any form of dissent seems to be to accuse the offender of indirectly killing people. However, I still think this also comes from a place of caring about people, or at least wanting to fit in, so I can understand it, but it is really hurtful to know that many of my friends and loved ones would think I was those things if I was honest about my views, and it would be nice to be extended the same empathy. I'm lucky though that my boyfriend shares my views so I've been able to rant about things to him throughout lockdown.

Universities are a hotbed for this kind of extremist thinking so I've noticed it grow for a while now (at the start of my undergrad I even positively went along with it), but the covid crisis has brought a lot of it to a head, particularly since the left-wingers have adopted it as one of their issues (despite the working classes being the worst affected by it so I still think a true left-winger would be against lockdown), so are using their 'dissent is murder' tactic to silence us. I suspect a lot of the same left wing extremists that I watched flourish during my undergrad are now writing for the BBC. However, I'm still alarmed by how quickly things have accelerated, I'd always assumed that the older, wiser generations would step in at some point but they don't seem to have done so. I've even tried to convince myself that lockdown is a good thing just as it would be a lot more tolerable and less frightening if I felt like it was actually saving lives and that we would be given our freedom back at 'the end', and it would be nice to be on the 'good side' for once. I've gone along with all of the regulations so far just as I don't want to be angrily confonted about not wearing a mask etc, as I accept that I might be wrong about things, and I don't want to make anyone fear for their lives (rationally or irrationally), but I'm starting to think I should take more of a stand, so do let me know if anyone's organising something (or just wants to meet up to rant)!

Ben Shirley
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abi255 wrote: Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:31 pm Condensed
Thanks for your considered reply! Well done for going the whole way through university despite the flaws of the system. I lasted three months at university before I decided it and I were not and could never be compatible. Like you, I don't think of myself as right-wing but that's where I stand in the eyes of others.

Depending on where you are (London or the south-east - I'm in Croydon), meeting up for a rant sounds like a great thing to do. I've already organised quite a bit of anti-lockdown activity under the radar, but nothing I'd care to divulge in detail publicly (not that it's remotely exciting).

Jacko
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Post by Jacko »

Hey there,

Just joined the forum but have been reading for a few weeks. Also under 30 here. Glad to see theres other younger folks on here. Lots of great content and discussions, looking forward to contributing.

I've been working remotely throughout so consider myself lucky, but my other half has was hit with the summer furlough and an autumn redundancy, like a lot of people i'm sure.

Here because its refreshing to see some intelligent discussion that helps balance out most of the media coverage, and reassuring to have some likeminded people to read! (Guess i havent gone mad yet...or maybe we all are!)

Mostly been following this through Youtube until now. Part of me would say im just fed up with the misinformation and the unheady mixture of science and politics around this issue, but i shouldnt exactly be surprised given the track record of politicians when theres a chance to take Joe public for a ride. Aka lets redefine percieved reality to justify our actions. Im sure many of them have the best intentions but as the old saying goes:

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

Not really interested in all the conspiracy stuff surrounding this, though i can entirely understand why people are - i think the best way to combat this nonsensical experiment is to go to the core of it which is the stats, effectiveness of various approaches and to explore the various viewpoints fielded by specialists and laypeople alike who can take the data apart and go through it with a fine tooth comb!

Anyway glad to 'meet' you all, probably sounded a bit negative but those thoughts were rattling around and needed to be let loose!

All the best. :o)

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