Fingal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:42 am
jmc wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:16 pm
You have an interesting definition of "worked". Mostly based on what you seem to have read in the MSM by the look of it.
Your use of the term 'MSM' is a red flag for Conspiracy Land.
There are 1000s of professional media outlets round the world. None are perfect, and many of them don't even try to be objective. But at least you can see where they're coming from, they have professional training and networks, and - crucially - they are subject to laws of libel etc.
Whereas 'stuff you read on the internet' is not.
There are a few non-professional media outlets that contribute plenty - notably Bellingcat. Wikileaks has also done a job although their model is too easy to exploit. And the spontaneous reports by large numbers of ordinary people in social media can be useful.
But overall, a sweeping rejection of 'MSM' is almost bound to end up in Conspiracy Land.
You may have missed one of my other posts where I mentioned in passing that I have a very good idea exactly how the media business works and has worked for many decades. Over the decades I have know quite a few people who worked in the business, both in the UK and the US, both for newsprint media and TV news and current affairs, and even family members were by-lined in national newspapers for years. I dont know how many times over the years you have turned on the telly or opened a newspaper or magazine and said, there's what's his name. Either someone you knew or someone who works with someone you know. The most recent US TV example was on CNN. In the UK it was on Channel 4. Its actually a fairly small world. Media-land.
So I know exactly how the sausage is made. It aint pretty. Which is why when I talk to journalists and researchers I am very very careful to make sure from the get go that it is clearly understood to be completely off the record. And if any recording is done I will be doing it too. I know the game. The latest generation of J-School drone are pretty useless reporters and very slow on the uptake but national network TV researchers can still be very well informed and usually ask some pretty intelligent questions.
By keeping to these rules over the years and making sure I never agreed to any on camera time I have kept my total on-air TV time to exactly less than 1 second. About ten years ago. As a cutaway shot while a friend was interviewed for a holiday filler piece segment on US (large metro market) local TV news.
So I know of what I speak. You should hear just how utterly cynical the people in the media business are when the start talking shop. Although I do miss the old days of a few decades ago when The Street of Shame was exactly that. Some wonderful (boozy) reprobates back then. With not an idealist (or ideological) bone in their body. And as a result wrote clear, concise few hundred word stories which were often quite informative. Not the mostly wet wokish b*llocks that passes for journalism nowadays where they dont even bother with any of the 6 W's.
I am very aware of what stories are being carried by the MSM in a whole bunch of countries. And what media outlets are playing which angles at any given time. Not just anglophone countries either. Plus I know how to the get the newswires stories and the raw new feed footage that is used in news broadcasts. Watching the 2 or 3 min raw feed is always a lot more informative that watching the 15 sec edit drop in used in the news bulletin. If only to tell you what the news editors angle is.
I use the MSM term very deliberately. Because it is a very accurate term. More so in the US than in the UK. There is an MSM accepted narrative for every storyline and that is what the MSM tells in most countries. Some more than others. The US being the most extreme example, followed by Germany, UK, Italy with France, oddly enough, being fairly media diverse the last few years. The Gilet Jaunes being the real moment the national media opened up. I've seen some very creative , innovative and informative stories in French media outlets the last few years.
So hope for the business yet.