Tectonic shift in the government's plan

fon
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a rocket right up Boris' rear end

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Boris is seeing a torrent of optimism and blood curdling threats from BackBench MPs Here is Sir Geoff Clifton brown sending a rocket right up Boris' rear end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFdNm1gTic

he says: the balance wrong on lockdown versus damage of lockdown. We're opening too slowly vaccine is a game changer. He says there is no reason why the vast bulk of the economy should not open by April, since vulnerabile are protected.

He reminds Boris that a vote will occur in Parliament to replace our covid19 regime, before the 29th March. Sir Geoff says the PM will have to be careful or he'll have a battle.Sir Geoff won't wait for everybody to have two doses, and wants hospitality to be open by Easter, perhaps April. Otherwise Sir Geoff warns of serious trouble. Sir Geoff is willing to forsake hols abroad for the time being, but wants uk holidays to be as normal, says to go back to tier system allow gradual opening of everything.

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Re: Tectonic shift in the government's plan

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Splatt wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:34 pm Lockdown isnt related to vaccination.

They're actively looking for reasons to keep lockdown rather than reasons to lift it.
Absolutely correct.

They are petrified of re opening. If they allowed it to re open and furlough payments to be lifted they would have to deal with the fall out of the economic collapse.

If the reality hits the masses then they’re in trouble.

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Re: Tectonic shift in the government's plan

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Splatt wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:34 pm Lockdown isnt related to vaccination.

They're actively looking for reasons to keep lockdown rather than reasons to lift it.
Absolutely correct.

They are petrified of re opening. If they allowed it to re open and furlough payments to be lifted they would have to deal with the fall out of the economic collapse.

If the reality hits the masses then they’re in trouble.

Illimitible
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Re: Tectonic shift in the government's plan

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Let's put that hare-brained idea to sleep with immediate effect
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Are you really that blind?

You actually think we’re being locked down behind non effective paper “masks” for the good of our health?

Running out of head shakes with some of you people.

I’ll bet you believe the BBC as well.

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Re: Tectonic shift in the government's plan

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Illimitible wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:12 pm

Let's put that hare-brained idea to sleep with immediate effect

You actually think we’re being locked down behind non effective paper “masks” for the good of our health?
no,but I cannot stop lockdown, nor can you, so, it matters what the government thinks about lockdown. And there IS a relationship between lockdown and vaccine. Case proved. At present they USE both, and I assume you are not quite content about that. :lol: :lol:

Splatt
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Re: Tectonic shift and a torrent of optimism

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fon wrote: Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:12 pm He thinks they should be a cautious retreat, to check how vaccines work esp. wrt variants
Well we know Pfizer works well enough against it and Oxford doesnt work at all.
Thats the problem.
Moderna works well and is approved but we dont get any until May.

Playing mutation tennis is a game you'll never ever win.

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Re: Tectonic shift in the government's plan

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So no lockdown easing until 3 weeks after the Moderna vaccine is rolled out, at the earliest?

Splatt
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Re: Tectonic shift in the government's plan

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We only ordered 7M doses of that and haven't increased it.
The entire focus is on Oxford/AZ.

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Re: Tectonic shift in the government's plan

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Tim Spector on TalkRadio, suggesting the "focus" needs to be moved away from deaths to wider factors and the impact on society, but implicit in how I took what he said is that he also thinks the focus needs to be on cases not just deaths. I could have mis-inferred something. He also said we'd need restrictions for the rest of the year which seems to fit with the new narrative which is cases not deaths.

The public message we have had rammed down our throats for a year is lockdown is required to "save the NHS" and for the last few months is that the "vaccines are the way out of lockdown".

As the message has moved from that (even if superficially it won't appear that it has) then it is for political reasons not scientific or medical reasons.

Has anyone actually asked the govt what it is doing to prepare the NHS to have sufficient capacity to avoid being overwhelmed by respiratory viruses next winter?

We need journos to start carpet bombing the govt with questions on this to (a) see if they've even thought about it and (b) based on the answer to flush out the govt's plans for this year.

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Re: Tectonic shift in the government's plan

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I would suspect that next years flu season will be especially deadly.
2 years of it being suppressed, natural cross-immunity being suppressed in vulnerable people and so on.
Traditionally after a quiet flu season the next one is more deadly as it takes out those that would normally have gone the previous year.

Likely to see far more respiratory viruses as well for the same reason.

Someone might have to "save the nhs" yet again. Because covid will rise up then to go with that.

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