Are we on the verge of social credit scoring?

Nomad
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Are we on the verge of social credit scoring?

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If so, is there any possible positive outcome?

Personally it terrifies me - as someone who loves freedom and privacy. It's not a world I think I have a place in. Whilst I still have some huge travel dreams, I've had my time and if it's all over, I can accept that. But am really struggling to accept the idea of it being over for the younger generation with their dreams ahead of them.

I know it's been mentioned in earlier posts, but would be interested in a discussion on this specific subject, especially from anyone who can see any positivity in this potential outcome.

bradw4
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Nomad wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:26 am If so, is there any possible positive outcome?

Personally it terrifies me - as someone who loves freedom and privacy. It's not a world I think I have a place in. Whilst I still have some huge travel dreams, I've had my time and if it's all over, I can accept that. But am really struggling to accept the idea of it being over for the younger generation with their dreams ahead of them.

I know it's been mentioned in earlier posts, but would be interested in a discussion on this specific subject, especially from anyone who can see any positivity in this potential outcome.
If a social credit system is to be imposed on us, I think it will start with domestic vaccination passports. Sadly, that is more and more inevitable. I share your sense of dread.

In previous posts on this forum, I've tried to warn of the obvious dangers of this. Domestic passports will lead to widespread discrimination. Pregnant women, disabled and BAME people will most likely suffer. The unvaccinated will be unpersoned; unable to access everyday services.

One small source of comfort is, perversely, woke ideology.

Society's readiness to scream "RACISM!" about any subject, whether justified or not, means companies and governments are falling over themselves to prove they are anti-racist.

Domestic vaccination passports will look racist because of the disproportionate impact they will have on ethnic minority communities. From the vaccination take-up figures that I've read so far, there is a clear difference between communities. White people are overwhelmingly more likely to get vaccinated than BAME people.

Which means passports won't be racist in principle, but they will look so in practice.

If I owned a business, I wouldn't want to discriminate against any section of the population; nor would I want to be seen to be doing so.

So, what does this mean for domestic vaccination passports?

The perceived racial discrimination will probably provoke a deafening outcry from the Wokerati, followed by a slew of anti-discrimination lawsuits. The scheme will encounter strong resistance. Ultimately, I think it will look toxic in the eyes of the public.

Wokeness hasn't achieved much in practical terms, but it might just forestall discriminatory government policy. It might actually do something useful, for once.

Atlas
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bradw4 wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:51 pm
Nomad wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:26 am If so, is there any possible positive outcome?

Personally it terrifies me - as someone who loves freedom and privacy. It's not a world I think I have a place in. Whilst I still have some huge travel dreams, I've had my time and if it's all over, I can accept that. But am really struggling to accept the idea of it being over for the younger generation with their dreams ahead of them.

I know it's been mentioned in earlier posts, but would be interested in a discussion on this specific subject, especially from anyone who can see any positivity in this potential outcome.
If a social credit system is to be imposed on us, I think it will start with domestic vaccination passports. Sadly, that is more and more inevitable. I share your sense of dread.

In previous posts on this forum, I've tried to warn of the obvious dangers of this. Domestic passports will lead to widespread discrimination. Pregnant women, disabled and BAME people will most likely suffer. The unvaccinated will be unpersoned; unable to access everyday services.

One small source of comfort is, perversely, woke ideology.

Society's readiness to scream "RACISM!" about any subject, whether justified or not, means companies and governments are falling over themselves to prove they are anti-racist.

Domestic vaccination passports will look racist because of the disproportionate impact they will have on ethnic minority communities. From the vaccination take-up figures that I've read so far, there is a clear difference between communities. White people are overwhelmingly more likely to get vaccinated than BAME people.

Which means passports won't be racist in principle, but they will look so in practice.

If I owned a business, I wouldn't want to discriminate against any section of the population; nor would I want to be seen to be doing so.

So, what does this mean for domestic vaccination passports?

The perceived racial discrimination will probably provoke a deafening outcry from the Wokerati, followed by a slew of anti-discrimination lawsuits. The scheme will encounter strong resistance. Ultimately, I think it will look toxic in the eyes of the public.

Wokeness hasn't achieved much in practical terms, but it might just forestall discriminatory government policy. It might actually do something useful, for once.
Haha, never thought I'd be siding with team woke over this. I guess in crisis such as this, you will take any bedfellows. The "enemy of my enemy" and all that jazz.

bradw4
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Atlas wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:07 am Haha, never thought I'd be siding with team woke over this. I guess in crisis such as this, you will take any bedfellows. The "enemy of my enemy" and all that jazz.
That's how I see it, although with the contorted logic of our cultural and political landscape, you never can tell.

Who on earth, for instance, would have predicted that in 2021 the Labour Party would be demanding stronger border controls, and the Conservatives would be dragging their heels on the issue? (The government belatedly putting a hotel quarantine system in place.)

But, yes, for once I'm on the side of team woke (my preferred descriptor is Social Justice W*nkers).

midlandsagainstlockdown
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Yes, because that has been part of the agenda all along.

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bradw4 wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:52 am Who on earth, for instance, would have predicted that in 2021 the Labour Party would be demanding stronger border controls, and the Conservatives would be dragging their heels on the issue? (The government belatedly putting a hotel quarantine system in place.)

But, yes, for once I'm on the side of team woke (my preferred descriptor is Social Justice W*nkers).
You're giving Labour too much credit. They're just a weather-vane.

Border control is weak therefore they demand strong.

If it was the other way round and the government had gone full New Zealand they'd be moaning they're too strict.
There's no actual policy here.

The socialist left globally are always for more authoritarian and more government control in every single aspect of life. They're very much against personal freedoms.

CoronanationStreet
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You only have to look at the SNP and their "hate speech" bill to see that.

bradw4
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Splatt wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 2:38 pm You're giving Labour too much credit. They're just a weather-vane.

Border control is weak therefore they demand strong.

If it was the other way round and the government had gone full New Zealand they'd be moaning they're too strict.
There's no actual policy here.

The socialist left globally are always for more authoritarian and more government control in every single aspect of life. They're very much against personal freedoms.
It was pure politics, of course. Arrant opportunism. But still hilariously ironic, even by today's standards. The party of free movement becomes the party of no movement.

Arguably, the government's response to Covid tells us a lot more about the modern Conservative Party than it does about the modern Labour Party.

The latter is instinctively authoritarian, bordering on Stalinist.

Naively, I thought the Conservatives would at least protect the economy, if not the populace.

But it turns out both parties are equally wedded to statism. When Covid struck, British capitalism died.

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CoronanationStreet wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:20 pm You only have to look at the SNP and their "hate speech" bill to see that.
Or this weeks outright third world corruption with the Salmond case.

Withholding evidence, a court case won to publish it then an appeal to a party controlled crown office to redact the important parts of that evidence.

All purely designed to keep Sturgeon in power.

Main media in the UK has barely touched the story. If they had been Westminster where the PM had been directly accused of breaking the ministerial code and him, along with his aides sought to silence an adversary to the extent of sending him to prison with false claims then instructing the civil service to redact the evidence it would have been a bigger story than covid and potentially the bigger post-war scandal ever.

SNP is all about stopping dissent and exerting control, be that the "hate speech" nonsense or the Salmond affair.

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I voted Boris.

I cant even begin to describe how bad i think that mistake was now (although Corbyn was far far worse).

Politically homeless now. Nothing Boris can do will allow me to trust him and i cant vote tory until every single one of his ministers has gone.

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