effect of vaccination in Israel

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effect of vaccination in Israel

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First plot shows half the nation gradually being vaccinate.
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Second plot shows effect as vaccine stifles new cases
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And you tube gives a run down on it all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r00Hwu96i1k

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First plot, vaccinations of half the nation
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Second plots, change in cases
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Could there be a link?

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Re: effect of vaccination in Israel

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Why are you not including the massive effect of a brutal, incredibly strict lockdown on case reduction?

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Splatt wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:40 pm Why are you not including the massive effect of a brutal, incredibly strict lockdown on case reduction?
It's a fair point(I wonder, does Splatt accept the efficacy of lockdowns?)

But , when lockdown started, no vaccine was used. Hence cases, continued to rise.Do you think the lockdown is the primary reason behind the shape of this curve? O might vaccination have had a role.

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Re: effect of vaccination in Israel

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Splatt wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:40 pm Why are you not including the massive effect of a brutal, incredibly strict lockdown on case reduction?
So, could there be a link? btw: Israel's lockdown was less strict. And so, do lockdowns work?

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Re: effect of vaccination in Israel

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fon wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:55 am
Splatt wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:40 pm It's a fair point(I wonder, does Splatt accept the efficacy of lockdowns?)
No because they don't work.

All they do is delay things then cause massive spikes and a higher case rate than you'd have previously got when you release it.

Lockdowns only "work" if you never ever plan on releasing them. And even then their effectiveness wanes over time.
But , when lockdown started, no vaccine was used. Hence cases, continued to rise.Do you think the lockdown is the primary reason behind the shape of this curve? O might vaccination have had a role.
Vaccination is having a role for sure in the cohorts that have been vaccinated. But mostly its a lockdown related temporary effect combined with seasonality. We're hitting the stage now the virus is going be naturally attenuated by time of year.

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Re: effect of vaccination in Israel

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Splatt wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:45 pm
fon wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:55 am
Splatt wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:40 pm It's a fair point(I wonder, does Splatt accept the efficacy of lockdowns?)
All they do is delay things then cause massive spikes and a higher case rate than you'd have previously got when you release it.
Vaccination is having a role for sure in the cohorts that have been vaccinated.
OK a bit of both. you are well informed Splatt, stubborn too but, in the end, your logical minds kicks in so in summary: vaccine works(a bit) and lockdowns tide us over til then, but vaccine have a cost beyond the shillings and pence, fair play to you boyo, I've known far worse welshmen.

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The problems are social and cultural. No graph or infographics are going to change that. People need to wake up and take control of their own lives and help others to do the same. And they need to realize society is a pretty sh*tty place where most are barely getting by stuck in a system created to keep them in the dirt while the fat cats and big wigs profit from the suffering of the rest of the population. And so they need to take their lives into their own hands and do something about the suffering even if it's only for themselves. You have to save yourself. Nobody else is going to. We all know this and yet we assume because we use symbols it means the people walking down the street are going to show us the way. The sixties revolution had the right idea when lots of people woke up and realized the prison they were living in and punishing themselves in was not real. There was a huge shift in consciousness towards the potential of the individual and transforming potentially an entire life of conditioning and sub-conscious behaviours that had kept them down in the dirt for so long without really realizing what exactly what causing it.
Challenging authority, flexing the boundaries, having the courage to stand out instead of fit in to get approval from strangers, having the ability to say no and f*ck off to people and the world once in a while, standing up for what YOU believe in and not just agreeing with everybody else like a battered domestic violence victim just to feel accepted, being able to shut out the pressures of chasing the conveyor belt life in order to prove you're worth something in a system that sees you as worthless, understanding the way in which our realities are created solely to keep us distracted, dumbed down and unaware of the truths, understanding there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and everything most people do is under the delusion they are going to find it only to find they get to old age and realize it was all bullsh*t. Most people in pallative care who have been researched by the social sciences regret having done the very things people are doing now en masse. Most of them wished they paved their own way in life and told everybody else to suck a fat one because it would have worked out better having lost all the sh*t they didn't want or need and found everything they did even if they never got the approval and validation from people who they thought cared about them, usually the people who don't mean f*ck all in the first place. Most people don't care, even the ones created these graphs. They care about themselves and they care about you for as long as it benefits them.

Your graph doesn't explain why the majority of the worldwide population destroyed their own lives and are still waiting for permission to be able to start over again and live them once more like what happened warrants the total destruction of society and the structure of peoples personal lives. All they keep peddling is the delusional psychosis inflicted on them like victims of horrific abuse by criminally minded sociopaths/psychopaths and predatory monsters, the sort of people who in normal society are locked behind bars and doing lengthy sentences. All the while the elite and their cabal get to create their own laws and it's called being normal and living in a normal world and we make excuses for it. What normal world? You think this schizophrenic madness is normal? Several billion evolved monkeys losing their marbles over an invisible bogeyman choosing to chop off their own limbs in order to appease the spirit Gods? Where have we seen that before? Oh wait, let's use 'science' to make it real just like the church used their own version of science to prove the existence of God and the existence of evil spirits. Look where that ended up. We had to shut that sh*t show down. Only throughout our barbaric archaic history have we experienced stuff like that. History does repeat itself it seems. All the graph shows is the blind subservience of the sheepish, weak minded, yellow bellied masses and how they despise their own reflection in the mirror but then reworded as being a credible source of evidence for the opposite. How they struggle so much in life they really needed this 'break' from reality to lick their wounds and feel like society gives a f*ck about them when before all this people like you and all these other self made losers were being terrorized by the brutality of the world you lived in. You were at the bottom of the pile and forgotten. Now you're all of a sudden something, part of a movement, you belong finally! But you don't belong. You never did and believing in ghosts isn't going to change that. Most other people already belonged well before this. We didn't need a talking Toy Story figurine in Matt Hancock to tell us what life was about. We didn't need a gaumless looking fool in Chris Witty to tell us what reality was. We've never needed graphs to make decisions before. I don't need a graph to prove how f*cked society is. All you have to do is go outside and see the misery for yourself. Western society has been crumbling for a long time. The way we live is not sustainable. Put that on a graph.

Only now the projection seeks to reinforce the delusion that yet again the masses have a key to the secrets of life and this really DOES mean society will change forever and for the better and you don't have to worry anymore. Being pushed towards another fruitless pursuit, for them anyway. Being told the clouds will be lined with silver and they will be eternally rewarded. All while the government haven't substantionally increased the national minimum wage since the 70s. What silver are people actually getting for their efforts? We thought religion was the answer. We thought material wealth was the answer and consumer capitalism. We thought social media was the answer. We think idolizing plastic celebrities was the answer. People are missing so much from their lives, that's why we are here.

Put that on a graph while you're at it. What have you done this last year to live the best possible life you can live? Can you put that on a graph? How about your future goals? Put that on a graph as well. How about how many new friends you want to meet? How many new exciting encounters you want to find yourself in. How about the challenges you want to face and the identified weaknesses in your life you want to iron out. How about what life means to you. How about the demons you've slayed and the miles you've travelled in your mind. Can you put these on a graph? How about what really matters to you beyond all this.

We all know the answer. It's easy to create an illusion that all this can be explained by what the school teacher tells us is how the world works or how your mum tells you why you should eat your greens or you wont grow big and strong. It's a drop in the ocean compared the history of the planet and our species and it amounts to nothing in the grand scheme of things. The same journey has had to be embarked on by individuals themselves to work out what reality is and make their own choices and people have either fallen and died when they fell or they got back up, brushed themselves off and lived to fight another day seeking to understand themselves and the world around them and not being victim to it like they are a passenger in the process. That's why we are here today and why you can talk about graphs. The life you live is thanks to people who came before you and created the world you live in. Can you explain their importance on a graph? The only people who think they can are the ones who truly don't understand what it means to be alive and would rather revert to explaining it as if they were outside their own bodies and not even breathing. You're so dissilusioned that would rather escape the life you live in the body you experience it with and try and look for better solutions like that's even possible. Like trying to make excuses for being alive. You must really hate yourself. I bet you're desperate for life to be all over so you don't have to be carrying this bag of flesh and bones around with you anymore. Graphs won't solve those issues my friend. The government sure as sh*t won't.

This is just another cry help that in time will be seen as such. What were once crosses around necks and bibles in hand are now masks on faces and graphs for lockdowns. You're looking for meaning at the new altar. Looking for the spiritual mother and father to hold you and tell you that everything is okay.

Everybody else, just carry on. Live your lives. You have nothing to fear. You're not missing out. Reality still exists and it's powerful that the most disturbed in our society have to try and destroy themselves and others in order to avoid it. The journey still exists and that is also so powerful that people throughout history have done everything in their power to put it off, make excuses, delude themselves, play the victim and blame everything and anything other than themselves. There is nothing to learn here. If only graphs taught people how to live their lives and deal with the reality of life itself and everything that happens in it. You can dream.

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Re: effect of vaccination in Israel

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Israel: Increasing all-cause mortality in people 65+ from February 22 to March 21 (Euromomo)
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By early March, Israel had vaccinated about 90% of its 65+ population and about 50% of its entire population. Covid deaths had been decreasing since the end of January, as expected, although not any faster than in some other countries with a very low vaccination rate, such as South Africa.

Concerningly, however, Israel has seen a renewed and continued increase in all-cause mortality since mid-February; in fact, by March 21, Israel reported the highest excess mortality of all countries participating in Euromomo (see figure above). In contrast, many other European countries currently report a post winter wave negative excess mortality.

The cause behind this renewed increase in Israeli all-cause mortality appears to be unclear. According to Israeli newspaper YNet, the director of an Israeli clinic explained that they are currently seeing “a murky wave of heart attacks”. The director believes that this might be due to the “persistent stressful situation” and the “neglect of preventive medical care”.

Although quite a few cases of post-vaccination heart muscle inflammation, heart failure and heart attacks have been reported in Israel since December (see e.g. 1, 2, 3), the hospital director argues that “a connection to heart damage from it has not yet been proven to be significant.”

Nevertheless, given the paramount global importance of this question, Israeli and international public health authorities may want to answer it as fast as possible.

Update: On April 1, Israeli data disappeared from the Euromomo website; most likely, this is simply because Israel has not yet reported mortality data for week 12. SPR keeps monitoring the situation.

Check out the uptick in over 65's deaths you have to click on the link
the thing to observe is the base rate of deaths per 100,000 and check to see if its stable

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Re: effect of vaccination in Israel

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fon wrote: Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:55 pm
OK a bit of both. you are well informed Splatt, stubborn too but, in the end, your logical minds kicks in so in summary: vaccine works(a bit) and lockdowns tide us over til then, but vaccine have a cost beyond the shillings and pence, fair play to you boyo, I've known far worse welshmen.
Lockdowns don't tide us over. They've killed tens of thousands already and make the problem worse (as backed up by SAGE modelling) when they're released.
So they literally make the problem worse than no lockdown.

As for vaccines helping, we've just finished vaccinating all the people the vaccines will help so from an epidemiology point of view we've finished this weekend. Done. Game over. Job done.
We dont need to do any more, cant improve the situation so time to open up everything immediately.

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