Vax fans, debunk this.

thelightcavalry
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Vax fans, debunk this.

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Letter in the BMJ from a consultant :

"Dear Editor,

I have had more vaccines in my life than most people and come from a place of significant personal and professional experience in relation to this pandemic, having managed a service during the first 2 waves and all the contingencies that go with that.

Nevertheless, what I am currently struggling with is the failure to report the reality of the morbidity caused by our current vaccination program within the health service and staff population. The levels of sickness after vaccination is unprecedented and staff are getting very sick and some with neurological symptoms which is having a huge impact on the health service function. Even the young and healthy are off for days, some for weeks, and some requiring medical treatment. Whole teams are being taken out as they went to get vaccinated together...."

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n81 ... yhoSKzjE9w

Maybe it can be debunked, tho publication in the BMJ under one's own name would seem to be professional suicide if she's making it up.

funtimes
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Post by funtimes »

Why? What makes you think people are hiding?
People are being silenced and their dissenting views muffled. It doesn't mean those people are not openly speaking out.
The intentions of the psychological operation and disinformation campaigns has been to stifle opposing views. This then creates the perception that without a doubt the only dialogue is of approval regarding the narrative. You've fallen into the trap of assuming the reality created by the propaganda machine IS the ultimate reality. It's a projection and nothing else.

You must convince people what is going on is what everybody else wants and agrees with. This includes shaping perceptions of people we tend to trust like doctors, 'experts', scientists, academics, celebrities etc.

Also nobody is a vax fan. You're talking about a vaccine, not a football club. Most people don't even know what a vaccine is let alone whether they actually personally rate vaccines beyond the superficial Hollywood stereotype. This infantile attitude towards discourse is why we live in such a sh*t world. When we have fully grown adults making childish comments about what the other children like just because this group of children like chocolate and the others like strawberries. Pathetic. Just think you teach your kids to go into the world and do well for themselves when you're online playing whose the coolest kid on the block.

There's nothing to debunk here. Just a doctor whose justifiably concerned about vaccines. Who would have thought that could be possible? Why would you post a topic about it like you're going to win brownie points for it? You are part of the problem buddy. Get a grip and preferably get a life at the same time. While the world goes to hell in a handbasket you're playing playground games and to think you're apparently the good guy whose going to help us get out of this.

thelightcavalry
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funtimes,

Hello, "buddy". Projection oozes from your invective. Elementary research, eg the Yeadon podcast with Delingpole, and common sense show that medics are reluctant publicly to bear witness against the experimental potions. That is not the burden of my post, however. It simply relays primary source, qualified testimony that the vaccine is dubious even dangerous The phrase "vax fan" is an apt riposte to the commonplace anti-rationalist name-calling of those who are, well, vaccine fanatics.

Meanwhile here outside your head: "UK medicines regulator 'may restrict Astrazeneca vaccine for younger people'"
https://www.cityam.com/uk-medicines-reg ... um=twitter .

fon
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thelightcavalry wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:59 am
Maybe it can be debunked, tho publication in the BMJ under one's own name would seem to be professional suicide if she's making it up.
Why do
There's no way to check if it is right.I would assume it's an exaggeration. Certainly if the products are as damaging as she/he says it would be negligent not to complain. There is no news of morbidity caused by our current vaccination program within the health service and staff population.

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Post by Splatt »

Germany did report similar issues where they had to start staggering health worker vaccinations as too many were off sick with side effects at the same time.

AZ after 1st dose in particular seems to cause fairly severe multi day side effects with the chances of that being higher the younger the person is.

Pfizer and Moderna also have issues but slightly less.

I know far more people who HAVE been knocked back for a while after a dose than not.

MHRA themselves have stated about the younger you are the more likely you are to suffer on the yellow card summary.
May not be an issue soon - a regulatory pause may well be coming due to clotting...

thelightcavalry
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fon: "I would assume it's an exaggeration."

Why? It's first-hand testimony against interest by a named NHS consultant in the British medical Journal. It is completely irrational to 'assume it's an exaggeration.' Are you the victim of a cult?

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if the products are as damaging as she/he says it would be negligent not to complain using the yellow card system.

https://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/

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fon wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:06 am if the products are as damaging as she/he says it would be negligent not to complain using the yellow card system.

https://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/
How can she/he "complain using the yellow card system"? She's a concerned colleague making observations, not those person's clinicians.

Any yellow card use would reqiure multiple other medics sticking their heads above the parapet.

thelightcavalry
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fon wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:06 am if the products are as damaging as she/he says it would be negligent not to complain using the yellow card system.

https://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/
So what?

fon
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Splatt wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:47 am May not be an issue soon - a regulatory pause may well be coming due to clotting...
Moderna due now. 17m on order. Mutterings about Janssen.

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