Nightingale Nightmare

Robin Andrews
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Nightingale Nightmare

Post by Robin Andrews »

There are many things to object to about the government's response to Covid, but a particularly bad example, which I think is representative but which gets little coverage, is the Nightingale hospitals fiasco.

My understanding is that the whole purpose of lockdown is to "flatten the curve" - to slow down the spread of Covid so that the NHS doesn't become overwhelmed. In light of this, is seems utterly bizarre and deeply wrong to have built seven dedicated hospitals, costing £100s of millions in total, and then to make almost no use of them.

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The argument that insufficient staff are available to use these hospitals fails on two grounds.

1. What kind of radical incompetence and irresponsibility would lead to commissioning the construction of these facilities without carrying out a feasibility study?

2. Since these hospitals are designed to treat one specific illness, the skills needed by staff are a very small subset of what would be needed for a general hospital. I am very confident that if there were a genuine will to use the hospitals to help Covid patients, a solution could easily be found, for example through specialised accelerated training programs and/or the use of military personnel.

To continue with lockdown measures supposed to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed while these Nightingales sit empty strikes me as an appalling state of affairs. I believe ministers should be held accountable for it, and the matter given widespread media attention.

I'm curious to know what can be done about this.

Is there grounds for legal action against the government?
What about a public enquiry?
Is there some way to get the government to prioritise the use of these resources over imposing continued lockdown?

Please let me know what you make of the situation and what you think can realistically be done about it.

miahoneybee
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The nightingale hospitals were smoke screen and likely if they remain to be used for other purposes ( detention centres) in the future and not for the rona ( never the intention)..
They could easily have used the tik tok dancers to man the hospitals if they ever had any intention of using them.
They could have stopped all this if they ever had any intention to do it but they dont want to even in the face of substantial evidence against lockdowns ...masks.. experimental vaccines..social distancing.. its all bollocks they know it and we know it but while they can get away with it they will continue unless something happens to bring them all down....
My patience with the sheep has gone. There is no excuse for them to not open their eyes and wake up and smell the coffee..
99% of the population have had the biggest negative upheaval of their lives.. for what? And they continue to suffer. Many are awake and many are not..hope is there that more and more will wake up but it may be too late to reverse the damage caused and the underlying agenda going full steam ahead ..
:roll: :oops: :cry:

Rudolph Rigger
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miahoneybee wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:17 am its all bollocks
How can you say this Mia? People have died. Yes literally died! We must not stop until nobody dies, ever again.

Only last night I couldn't finish my Settlers of Catan game - I was sure a nasty viral particle went up my nose. My nose is stinging today from the dettol spray. I must go and buy some more today, but I'm afraid to walk out. People breathe. Yes literally breathe. They are spewing out their filthy virus particles everywhere.

I saw that nice man with the lovely hair on the news this morning and he talked about cases. Another piece of faecal matter slipped out. I'm spending a fortune on underwear. I don't know how much longer I can continue.

I don't know what to do. We must trust in our glorious and noble government until every single viral particle has been exorcised from our green and pleasant land.

We need to keep our Nightingales as stark reminders of just how close we came to complete extinction.

fon
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Robin Andrews wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:36 am Is there grounds for legal action against the government?
No since we selected our government to represent us, hence legal action against ourselves is inappropriate.

JohnK
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Robin Andrews wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:36 am There are many things to object to about the government's response to Covid, but a particularly bad example, which I think is representative but which gets little coverage, is the Nightingale hospitals fiasco.

My understanding is that the whole purpose of lockdown is to "flatten the curve" - to slow down the spread of Covid so that the NHS doesn't become overwhelmed. In light of this, is seems utterly bizarre and deeply wrong to have built seven dedicated hospitals, costing £100s of millions in total, and then to make almost no use of them.

Image

The argument that insufficient staff are available to use these hospitals fails on two grounds.

1. What kind of radical incompetence and irresponsibility would lead to commissioning the construction of these facilities without carrying out a feasibility study?

2. Since these hospitals are designed to treat one specific illness, the skills needed by staff are a very small subset of what would be needed for a general hospital. I am very confident that if there were a genuine will to use the hospitals to help Covid patients, a solution could easily be found, for example through specialised accelerated training programs and/or the use of military personnel.

To continue with lockdown measures supposed to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed while these Nightingales sit empty strikes me as an appalling state of affairs. I believe ministers should be held accountable for it, and the matter given widespread media attention.

I'm curious to know what can be done about this.

Is there grounds for legal action against the government?
What about a public enquiry?
Is there some way to get the government to prioritise the use of these resources over imposing continued lockdown?

Please let me know what you make of the situation and what you think can realistically be done about it.
A long time back, last year, when it happened I commented elsewhere along the lines that, as it was done by the MoD (in effect), it looked like an internal ‘budget campaign’ (before the 2020 Budget was ‘cancelled’). Similar exercise to what has been done elsewhere, e.g. Afghanistan etc. Crap value for the general public, though.

RichardTechnik
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Robin Andrews wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:36 am There are many things to object to about the government's response to Covid, but a particularly bad example, which I think is representative but which gets little coverage, is the Nightingale hospitals fiasco.

My understanding is that the whole purpose of lockdown is to "flatten the curve" - to slow down the spread of Covid so that the NHS doesn't become overwhelmed. In light of this, is seems utterly bizarre and deeply wrong to have built seven dedicated hospitals, costing £100s of millions in total, and then to make almost no use of them.

Image

The argument that insufficient staff are available to use these hospitals fails on two grounds.

1. What kind of radical incompetence and irresponsibility would lead to commissioning the construction of these facilities without carrying out a feasibility study?

2. Since these hospitals are designed to treat one specific illness, the skills needed by staff are a very small subset of what would be needed for a general hospital. I am very confident that if there were a genuine will to use the hospitals to help Covid patients, a solution could easily be found, for example through specialised accelerated training programs and/or the use of military personnel.

To continue with lockdown measures supposed to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed while these Nightingales sit empty strikes me as an appalling state of affairs. I believe ministers should be held accountable for it, and the matter given widespread media attention.

I'm curious to know what can be done about this.

Is there grounds for legal action against the government?
What about a public enquiry?
Is there some way to get the government to prioritise the use of these resources over imposing continued lockdown?

Please let me know what you make of the situation and what you think can realistically be done about it.
Robin,

You mention, in connection with the NHS and the Nightingale fiasco
"Radical incompetence and irresponsibility" and ask "...if there were a genuine will to use the hospitals to help Covid patients, a solution could easily be found, for example through specialised accelerated training programs"

There are a few facts worth noting
1. China energetically publicised its efforts to actually erect a temporary hospital in Wuhan in a few days using prefabricated building sections in early 2020. It is becoming evident that much of what happened in Wuhan has been distorted, exaggerated and propagandised. The hospital did not appear to be a treatment centre but more a mass isolation facility.
2. The government, self-panicked by MSM images from N Italy and SAGE's appallingly exaggerated 'modelling' predictions, felt that 'something had to be seen to be done' It called in the military Standing Joint Command (SJC) to provide these facilities. See Building the Nightingale hospitals: Engineering on the fast track. Converting existing International Exhibition Centres such as Excel in E London and NEC in Birmingham, where large floor areas, existing infrastructure - Heating & Ventilation, electrical supply etc - was much easier than erecting buildings - partioning and beds were the main element of the project. Other pre-existing buildings were repurposed including an ice rink in my local area and a large marquee in a sports stadium in Cardiff.
3. The NHS Management had not thought about this idea. The SJC Lieut Gen stated “We sat down with the NHS and asked them what they wanted. They said they didn’t know and asked what we could do”
4. It seems that NHS were happy to use their own facilities and simply set their faces against using these remote outside facilities instead of their own.
5. I understand that most of the enormous costs reported were paid to the owners of these buildings such as Abu Dhabi (ADNEC) in the case of Excel and the army of professionals and large civils contractors engaged.
6. A large events contractor told me that the Cardiff marquee should have cost £ 60-75k to erect and hire for 6 months; the Final bill for Nightingale hospitals to top £500mshows the cost at £25m.
7. The Excel facilities were quietly cannibalised last summer and Liquid Oxygen vessels were removed, and could not have been used to their commissioned capacity over the winter even if the NHS had needed them.
8. The NHS Management did absolutely nothing to train or recruit additional staff to use these facilities even if the NHS had needed them.

I have dealt with the NHS over the last 12 months in assisting an expat to supply high grade FFP2 &3 masks at zero profit and trying to assist with predicatable winter ICU oxygen supply bottlenecks that have led to many avoidable deaths (Whats gone wrong with Hospitals Oxygen Supply). It seems that despite excellent staff at the frontline, the mediochre procedure driven NHS management are incapable of improvement or even basic delivery of services, yet together with the counterpart public health junta that flourishes alongside will destroy the economy from which it demands so much. Can Stephens and Hopson on salaries of £400k be that inept ?

I believe miahoneybee's conclusion The nightingale hospitals were smoke screen and likely if they remain to be used for other purposes ( detention centres) is close to the truth.

Speedstick
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Bang on the money once again Miahoneybee, you see the situation clearly and have the courage to call it out for what it is.
The smell from this debacle is becoming acrid from its purification.
Loved your post to Richard T both an informative and accurate review of the saga.
The Nightingale Hospitals like everything else were about Johnson saving face and not saving lives, whilst allowing his publicity team time to create a caring image of him, Johnson's narcissistic personality allows him to care about nobody but himself!!!!!

Rob976
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The cost of the Nightingales pales into insignificance compared with the £billions for us all to be tested twice a week with the LFTs

miahoneybee
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Thank you richard T..
RR I thought about what you said and indeed I have strayed from the covid religion so as a self imposed punishment I have decided to watch endless tik tok Jerusalem videos as I am determined to learn the dance steps to pay homage to the masters of bullshit and their followers ...its the least I can do..
:D

Robin Andrews
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fon wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:18 pm
Robin Andrews wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:36 am Is there grounds for legal action against the government?
No since we selected our government to represent us, hence legal action against ourselves is inappropriate.
There is an offense for "Misconduct in Public Office." I don't know if it could apply here?

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/m ... lic-office

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