Get your Johnson out

bit _better
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Get your Johnson out

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He's not my Johnson, I wouldn't vote for him with a gun to my head, but I think maybe some of you lot did (albeit through an allegiance to the Tories rather than the shitewaffler himself).

Nonetheless, with the Lockdown war lost (can we at least all agree we HAVE lost) the only hope of reversing the now inevitable surge towards permanent intervention is to get rid of him and his acolytes.

Even with the support he seems to have over his Covid policies, with the shit mountain he has left behind him in his horrid life, it should not be difficult to convince decent people what a bad idea he is.

From now on I'm not wasting any more time trying to change minds about Lockdown. I will, however, be lobbying like hell for Johnson's removal May I suggest letters to your MP first of all?

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MikeAustin
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Re: Get your Johnson out

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We have not lost!

There are more of us than them. If enough people do not comply, it all breaks downt. It cannot be enforceable.

They would not look at our views or our words. They now need to be shown our bodies! Stand up and be counted, whether day-to-day, showing some sign of dissent or joining in protests.

Splatt
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Remove him and replace with who?

Gove who's even more of a covid-cultist?

Starmer who's only covid policy is lockdown harder,sooner,longer and always agree with Boris?

The problem is, no matter how bad Boris is, there's no viable alternative.

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Great post but better.
Likewise l wouldn't vote for Johnson if my life depended on it. His values, morals and history show him fundamentally unfit to be PM.
Following the sad death yesterday of Cheryl Gillan, a very nice lady, there will be a by-election in Chesham and Amersham, a very safe Tory seat.
Could a defeat for the Tory candidate in this up coming by-election send shockwaves through the Tory heiracy, and a subsquently a chance for a change of direction??
Is this something we could as a group work to influence?,

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I voted for Boris because he claimed to support free market capitalism

What we got instead was a cross between communism and fascism....

Biggest mistake of my life (so far)

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As somebody who's normally sceptical about the effectiveness of demonstrations I am determined to show up on 24th April and persuade as many others as possible to join. I sense the tide may be turning and if we get out there in numbers on that day this could be the start of the national campaign we desperately need.

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Exactly mike ..
It ain't over until the fat lady sings ( maybe I should change that as the rona doesn't like singing apparently)..
:D

Phil Mckrakin
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I have had plenty of dealings with my mp edward leigh, he even mentioned in parlymant to doris that folk are waking up and less than 400 folk had died of convid. Sadly though he has voted with the government on all the lock up and convid "rules". When I questioned it it was "due to loyalty to the party". I suspect the party have arranged his loyalty if you do some research into elm house and the oyster club. I imagine a lot of mps are the same sadly. Best get rid of the lot of them

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Speedstick wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:06 pm
Following the sad death yesterday of Cheryl Gillan, a very nice lady, there will be a by-election in Chesham and Amersham, a very safe Tory seat.
Could a defeat for the Tory candidate in this up coming by-election send shockwaves through the Tory heiracy, and a subsquently a chance for a change of direction??
Is this something we could as a group work to influence?,
Meanwhile, in the real world, Hartlepool has a by-election next month. Its currently held by Labour (3600 majority) but polling shows its highly likely to go Tory.

This says more about how atrocious Starmer is than anything good about Boris though.
Just highlights there is no opposition party in the UK currently.

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MikeAustin wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:47 pm We have not lost!

There are more of us than them. If enough people do not comply, it all breaks downt. It cannot be enforceable.

They would not look at our views or our words. They now need to be shown our bodies! Stand up and be counted, whether day-to-day, showing some sign of dissent or joining in protests.
This is just naivety and a childlike perspective on how these things work.
When enough people want something to happen it happens.
This is what makes 'democracy' concerning in times like this because the government only has to influence the population into choosing a particular outcome but then put it in a way that makes it look like they made their own choice (which they technically did) and now you have people approving things and voting for things that otherwise they would not. This then forms the majority of votes, support, approval, whatever and on the surface from a birds eye perspective and on the news with fancy infographics, it appears the 'democratic' process is doing it's thing and people are en masse choosing what they want and know what they want. You have trouble disproving what is going on because your blind faith and trust in the so-called 'democratic process' tells you that this is how things work and for the most part, that IS how they work. That's why throughout our modern history people have wanted things that were far from what they actually wanted because they too fell for the trap of believing the 'democratic process' works as if in a fairytale movie. When you can manufacture consent, you can do whatever you want under the notion that people are consenting to it. Of course, they are actually ARE consenting it. And there's the double-bind.

When the majority of the British population approve of something and vote for something, they are doing so undermining everybody else. They could at one point be undermining a silly politician who wants to make door bells illegal for example. In which case, great. On other occasions they could be undermining other members of the public who do not want to go to war and continue to oil the Western military-industrial complex. Who wins? The majority of the public who vote for wars. You can do very little because the 'democratic process' is doing it's thing. You can't argue because it's apparently working as it should.

You have little to no control over this. And when the majority of the population are in favour of something, the rest have to follow suit because that's how the system works. You cannot delude yourself into thinking any differently. The only solution is people utilize their power understanding what that actually means. And this means education, lots of it. Communication, and lots of it. Awareness of the role of the public and their obligations to one another, and lots of it.
Most people on a daily basis squander all their hard fought for rights, liberties, freedoms because they are not even aware they really have any. They are the kings who never realized the throne but who have been living in a castle their entire life with an entire army around them and riches you wouldn't believe, opportunities you could only dream of. And yet they assumed the role of peasant. It's quite mad when you think about it but that's the state of the country we live in. People do not know nor understand their own potential.

And so the 'democratic process' seeks to exploit this and the government have set about undermining the very system it is held within and should not be able to escape from, without oversight and consent of the population, to manufacture public perception and engineer outcomes. And here we are today with the majority of the population approving of, and would very likely vote for, their own demise. All under the banner of 'democracy'.

You are seperate to this, that is where YOUR control comes in. It's not your fault things are like this and assuming the weight of the country on your shoulders is futile and very dangerous and something even a prime minister like Boris does not assume blindly. If you think that you are the sole guide for the world and that you really can change the world, you're in trouble. Perhaps this is the first time in your life you've actually experienced how powerless you are. Take it in. This is the reality of the world we live in, usually it's just protected with glue that only just holds everything together. Today you are seeing the power of the masses and how little say you have in what they do, say, feel, think etc. Think how world governments feel and think when hundreds of thousands are marching down the street towards them. If your street wanted you gone they could kick your door down right now and take you within seconds. Done. Gone. If people on the bus wanted you off the bus it wouldn't take much to share the responsibility of throwing you off the bus. To the majority, they are doing the right thing. As the minority, you have to suffer the consequences. Such is life, when the illusions that keep you protected disappear.

You are part of society who together define the landscape in which they live, and that is where you have very little to NO control. So telling everybody we are more than them is simply not true. Right now the majority of the worldwide population support what is going on. Why are people wearing masks if they are not in support? Why have MILLIONS of Brits got the vaccine? It's okay to accept this. At one point homosexuality law was supported. How many of those who didn't support it had to endure those times? Until of course, public perception shifted towards homosexuals being acceptable. Now the minority are those who do not think they are acceptable. What position endures? Not the minority that is for sure.

This is how these things work. And because most people have never experienced polarizing political environments before they are scrambling to stroke their egos and defend their thrones like they had them in the first place. Your throne was illusory. It was given to you because at times society maintains peace and people are able to build their lives seperate to others and thus grow confidence in their own abilities. This then affirms their self beliefs and their self concepts and because there is very little challenge, they assume they really are on the throne. This gives people a sense of security. But is it guaranteed? No. History will tell you that. And this is why it's important for people to understand their lives, their identities, their purpose, meaning and everything else never came from the the false sense of security the past afforded them. All this can be taken away and all of it is relatively meaningless if it's not built on solid foundations that even politics and changing landscapes external to us can dissolve easily. That's why we say to young kids you don't want to be getting addicted to social media because we know there is more to life than the false sense of security and a sense of identity people get from social media. Take that away and who are most young kids today? You've got a mental health crisis on your hands and as it turns out, that's precisely what we do have because more and more young people are investing all their resources into something that will never give them what they want and will not sustain them. Reality and what they think is reality are two different things. Likewise and with everybody else, it's no different. Much of what people believe is REALLY REAL actually isn't. It's an illusion, it's an extremely flimsy and fragile thin threaded veil that offers no protection nor security but because we tell each that it does we all continue to believe that is where life is and where we will find the answers.

And this is where the potential is, right in the middle, in the void, in the place most people run from because it's easier to assume, just like you, that we are the majority, we are the many, everything we are doing is right, enough, substantial, justified, everything is concrete, everything will last forever, nothing can happen to us. We all know that's bulls*t because we all get to a certain age in life where our own minds start telling us otherwise and we start getting up and we're getting older, weaker, we know we're not who we think we are and that the nature of life will prevail. So it's what is done in between all this and how you deal with all this that determines whether you really do have control over things and whether you really are able to navigate the world, particularly when the world seems to be crumbling and everything you thought was real now is showing to be otherwise.

Sometimes that takes brutal honesty. We are not the majority. And that's fine. But we will be the majority one day when society decides to rectify the mistakes made and starts to balance the books, as it always does. Notice how throughout history humans have a tendency to iron out the creases. It's only inevitable that this will pass and restoration will occur. But in order for that to happen you must first be able to endure what is happening right now during times where restoration doesn't seem possible. That is where the work is. Not denying it and assuming that we are the many. That's called a delusion and it will lead you to quickly finding out how many soldiers on the battlefield you're pointing your gun at when it's just you on your own. There comes a time where you have to acknowledge you are outnumbered. This doesn't mean giving up. It means the opposite in fact. Strength comes from knowing you can fight but if you don't know what you're fighting and your mind isn't right, it's not strength. You have to KNOW your enemy first before planning anything. If you think you're enemy is the minority in this case well, you're f*cked. That's childish. And suicidal. And it's what is causing people the most misery right now.

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