Get your Johnson out

Speedstick
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Re: Get your Johnson out

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With great respect Splatt. I cannot accept your comment who else is there but Boris, this is like saying l could find anything for the toddler to play with , so l let them play with this box of matches.
This man has no personal or professional qualities that make him suitable for the position of PM.
He has no qualification or experience in business and finance, which is absolutely essential at the present time.
He shows no conviction to any policies, look at the way he ducked his previous stance and responsibility on the expansion of Heathrow Airport when he was Foreign Secretary.
Issues in his personal life raises considerable concerns of personality flaws, that again make him unsuitable for PM.
Perhaps he is best of all summed up by Max Hastings " Boris has a moral bankruptcy, rooted in a contempt for truth"
Boy oh boy hasn't that proved true, and you really believe Splatt the UK can find nobody better than this, it's hard to think of anybody worse!!!

Splatt
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Re: Get your Johnson out

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Right so you don't like Boris.
Fair enough.

But doesn't solve the problem of who else?

What other person in the Tory or even Labour party currently is going to be any better?

Gove, the likely successor is a backstabbing ball of slime and also a hardcore pro-lockdown fetishist.

Starmer a career lawyer who refuses to have any policy of anything at all and has fewer convictions or beliefs than Boris.

Sunak its too soon although he's likely the medium term PM in waiting.

Raab?! Hancock?!

Not liking Boris is easy. Finding any viable alternative is not.

miahoneybee
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Re: Get your Johnson out

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Kick all the tossers out and drain the swamp of all the f..k wit cronies while you are at it..
:roll:

sunjor
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Totally agree Speedstick the man is a liability and I cannot for the life of me imagine what people were thinking when they voted for him, it seems that most of his MP's have a very low opinion of him but put him there because he appealed to people, all I can say is that those who wanted to vote against the "Liberal Elite" and then voted for a bunch of entitled Eton Boys want their heads seeing to.

Nobody
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Re: Get your Johnson out

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Isn't there a whole problem with the institutional field that politics occupies? As the institutional fields themselves become more autonomous they can constitute ever more specialised forms of value that are required to access those fields so that they become progressively insulated. Politicians arise from this technocratic/managerial class, as someone pointed out, finance and business experience is now essential to political competence, and the institutions that feed the political field with personnel have themselves are run for overseas people. 25 years ago when I was in a UK department of social and political students UK students were not one in ten and you can imagine their backgrounds. The international elite came here for their education and they had little competition from indigenous students, that is why so many academics in the universities are from abroad and you see this in politics as well. There was a case a few years ago of some Russian who was working as a political advisor of some sort for an MP and she was accused of being a spy. Her response was that she was not a spy, her father owned property here, so she went to private school and university here. I knew people at university from abroad (they were all from abroad at that time because of the lack of funding for UK students and even what funding there was, went to the English elite) who came here, went to private school and that fed into university (same as in the US, I know). Now, if these people have the income to free themselves from the dust of locality and use institutions to avoid the exigencies that grind the working population into an early grave, then of course, as an effect of the freedoms they enjoy they have no determinate interests relating to the national populations and have no bond or concern for them. Now, the point that must not be forgotten is that as they become autonomous, institutionally, the forms of value required to participate become more specialised: you see this with the SAGE group, for example. Now, of course, they can generate very specialised forms of knowledge, using the signifying power of languages backed by the institutional authority that Gates and others pay for but does one need specialist expertise to represent people or does one need a particular kind of bond arising from a particular kind of relationship to them? Heidegger spoke of understanding arising from affectedness, from being affected by the same vulnerabilities. This is why you get incommensurabilities between class groups. But, really, is there not a terrible problem with the political and its institutional agents? As it becomes more specialised and insulated, does it not merely serve political interests that can force their own agendas through urgencies of proximity? If this pandemic shows anything, it shows that there is a global problem with the elites themselves who act in a uniform way, as if playing from the same book or instruction manual, and have no awareness of the interests of the populations they are supposed to represent. Is it not interesting that it is only in somewhere like Africa that there has been any dissent? That manifests the institutional grounding of this revolt of the elites. It seems to me that none of the politicians will offer any alternative because the field of possibilities in which they operate is dictated by terms that are part of a consensus they have to share to appear competent.
If there is a way out of this it has to be by establishing new everyday forms, through dissent and through forming collective sources of defence that the elite have to consider or else they will continue using technocratic strategies perpetually and there is little we can do.

Nobody
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Re: Get your Johnson out

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Isn't there a whole problem with the institutional field that politics occupies? As the institutional fields themselves become more autonomous they can constitute ever more specialised forms of value that are required to access those fields so that they become progressively insulated. Politicians arise from this technocratic/managerial class, as someone pointed out, finance and business experience is now essential to political competence, and the institutions that feed the political field with personnel have themselves are run for overseas people. 25 years ago when I was in a UK department of social and political students UK students were not one in ten and you can imagine their backgrounds. The international elite came here for their education and they had little competition from indigenous students, that is why so many academics in the universities are from abroad and you see this in politics as well. There was a case a few years ago of some Russian who was working as a political advisor of some sort for an MP and she was accused of being a spy. Her response was that she was not a spy, her father owned property here, so she went to private school and university here. I knew people at university from abroad (they were all from abroad at that time because of the lack of funding for UK students and even what funding there was, went to the English elite) who came here, went to private school and that fed into university (same as in the US, I know). Now, if these people have the income to free themselves from the dust of locality and use institutions to avoid the exigencies that grind the working population into an early grave, then of course, as an effect of the freedoms they enjoy they have no determinate interests relating to the national populations and have no bond or concern for them. Now, the point that must not be forgotten is that as they become autonomous, institutionally, the forms of value required to participate become more specialised: you see this with the SAGE group, for example. Now, of course, they can generate very specialised forms of knowledge, using the signifying power of languages backed by the institutional authority that Gates and others pay for but does one need specialist expertise to represent people or does one need a particular kind of bond arising from a particular kind of relationship to them? Heidegger spoke of understanding arising from affectedness, from being affected by the same vulnerabilities. This is why you get incommensurabilities between class groups. But, really, is there not a terrible problem with the political and its institutional agents? As it becomes more specialised and insulated, does it not merely serve political interests that can force their own agendas through urgencies of proximity? If this pandemic shows anything, it shows that there is a global problem with the elites themselves who act in a uniform way, as if playing from the same book or instruction manual, and have no awareness of the interests of the populations they are supposed to represent. Is it not interesting that it is only in somewhere like Africa that there has been any dissent? That manifests the institutional grounding of this revolt of the elites. It seems to me that none of the politicians will offer any alternative because the field of possibilities in which they operate is dictated by terms that are part of a consensus they have to share to appear competent.
If there is a way out of this it has to be by establishing new everyday forms, through dissent and through forming collective sources of defence that the elite have to consider or else they will continue using technocratic strategies perpetually and there is little we can do.

Nymeria
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Re: Get your Johnson out

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MichaelH wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:56 pm As somebody who's normally sceptical about the effectiveness of demonstrations I am determined to show up on 24th April and persuade as many others as possible to join. I sense the tide may be turning and if we get out there in numbers on that day this could be the start of the national campaign we desperately need.
It's very important for people to show up. If nothing else, it serves as a reminder to the government that we haven't gone away and we're still on the case. I've been to every demonstration so far, and will be at the next one too.

Splatt
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Re: Get your Johnson out

Post by Splatt »

Boris won because the alternative was Corbyn.

Simple as that.

Speedstick
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Re: Get your Johnson out

Post by Speedstick »

We tax you
We sacks you
We sicken you
We thicken you
We madden you
We sadden you
We're outrageous
But still you vote for us.

The Tories being ahead in the polls in Hartlepool ( Hartlepool for goodness sake) shows we are all doomed and Johnson can do just as he likes, the masses love their face nappies, being restricted and exploited, and the Hartlepool poll proves this!!!!!
For the rest of us with a brain the future l am afraid looks very very bleak indeed!!!!

Splatt
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Re: Get your Johnson out

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You can blame the leader of HMs official non-opposition for that.

Labour wont challenge anywhere as long as they agree with government policy all the time other than it should be harder, sooner, longer for restrictions.

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