When did passports start?

Teebs
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When did passports start?

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So, when did the UK government start planning for coronavirus passports?

Not just "thinking about", but actually spending money on and planning?

At least as far back as April … 2020, that is, over a full year ago. That is when NHSx (the health service innovation arm) started requesting and reviewing proposals from IT companies, including a start-up called Onfido that received $100M investment from Microsoft around that time:

https://www.biometricupdate.com/202004/ ... ecognition

And this at the time when people in the UK were ordered to stay at home to “save the NHS”.

At least one part, NHSx, needed no saving apparently.

Even the Guardian reported on it at the time:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -in-months

But now it is suddenly a new possibility that needs “exploring”.

A programme under preparation for over a year – before the “2nd wave” (let alone the 3rd) and “new variants” ever existed – is now being systrematically rolled out.

This is another aspect of the enormous amount of money given to the government in the Coronavirus Act (2020) that Hancock can spend as he wants without supervision or reporting. So, it did not just include dodgy PPE contracts.

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It goes back further than that, if the apparent EU Commission roadmap to implement EU-wide vaccine passports, pre-dating even the first known occurrence of Covid-19 in the EU, is true.

Given one of the fundamental pillars of the EU is free movement, it seems odd they would propose a scheme to limit movement of their subjects based on vaccination status. But then apart from the UK the rest of the EU subjects (sorry, citizens) aren't able to extricate themselves from future phases of invasive and authoritarian technocratic rule.

Which makes it even more surprising that the Tory govt which won an election to take the country out of the EU would simply implement the same policy here.

Although, it's possible the policy comes from a less visible supra-national organisation, in which case what value in voting for anyone at Westminster?

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Teebs wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:25 am So, when did the UK government start planning for coronavirus passports?

About 1938. Never any mention of coronavirus passports, but Certification of vaccination status goes back to at least 1938, with the Yellow Fever Vaccination.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_fever_vaccine

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CoronanationStreet wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:53 am
Given one of the fundamental pillars of the EU is free movement, it seems odd they would propose a scheme to limit movement of their subjects based on vaccination status
Obvsly freedom of movement does not include freedom to spread disease. It is daft to even think it might.

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I'm not sure when they started (as such) but you can be sure that they're going to happen. I don't think I'm wrong on this, when I say that every measure (I can think of) seeded by the media (at the behest of Government, obvs) has come to pass.

Masks in shops, masks in schools, 'waves', 'variants', blah blah blah.

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fon wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:21 am
CoronanationStreet wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:53 am
Given one of the fundamental pillars of the EU is free movement, it seems odd they would propose a scheme to limit movement of their subjects based on vaccination status
Obvsly freedom of movement does not include freedom to spread disease. It is daft to even think it might.
Then they have been negligent in not introducing general passporting and limitations on movement before during the last flu pandemics over the last 15 years. Or indeed for any other communicable virus or disease.

Your comment and logic (such as it is) is critically stupid given this virus kills next to no one outside of a small age range and those with existing medical issues which make then susceptible. And a number of those said to have been killed by/with/of it haven't been - they have simply tested positive.

Teebs
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fon wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:21 am
Obvsly freedom of movement does not include freedom to spread disease. It is daft to even think it might.
And that is the lockdown trap - assuming that perfectly healthy people are spreading disease. Even Faucci (before he started wearing multiple masks) said that did not happen and so did the WHO and everybody else.

Once you assume that perfectly healthy people are "vectors" spreading a deadly virus, but which does not affect them at all (!), then any amount of perversity is possible.

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CoronanationStreet wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:57 pm
fon wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:21 am
CoronanationStreet wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:53 am
Given one of the fundamental pillars of the EU is free movement, it seems odd they would propose a scheme to limit movement of their subjects based on vaccination status
Obvsly freedom of movement does not include freedom to spread disease. It is daft to even think it might.
Then they have been negligent in not introducing general passporting and limitations on movement before during the last flu pandemics over the last 15 years. Or indeed for any other communicable virus or disease.
Don't be a mug, freedom of movement is not a fundamental right.

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fon

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.............FU*K OFF NOW.

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fon wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:38 am
CoronanationStreet wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:57 pm
fon wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:21 am

Obvsly freedom of movement does not include freedom to spread disease. It is daft to even think it might.
Then they have been negligent in not introducing general passporting and limitations on movement before during the last flu pandemics over the last 15 years. Or indeed for any other communicable virus or disease.
Don't be a mug, freedom of movement is not a fundamental right.
Thats an absurd assertion. Freedom of movement/travel/association has always been a fundamental right, which before last year could be removed in a limited set of circumstances, with another set of protections against abuse by authorities. Just because our pipsqueak Heath Secretary seeks to make it so doesnt mean he is getting away with it or will do

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