Interaction is better than safety

Richard789
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Interaction is better than safety

Post by Richard789 »

Here is an interesting piece on the importance of interaction and of not retreating into your safe bubble. It is not exclusively about Covid, but does touch on it. And the Government has shown itself to be very reluctant to allow us out of our safe bubbles.

https://aeon.co/essays/on-the-dynamics- ... n-cultures

miahoneybee
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Thanks Richard 789
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I believe Professor Sunetra Gupta has been making this same point recently and has actually declared that our ability to deal with viruses has been much strengthened in the last fifty years simply because of the ease at which we WERE once able to travel around our planet. The constant interaction and mingling of peoples has increased our bodies' ability to deal with viruses and infections. Our immunity has been strengthened.

In other words the restrictions on international travel are intended to have the wholly opposite effect to that put out by national governments; in reality the restrictions are designed to make our health worse.

A good starting point from which to view any government announcement... err, propoganda, is to conclude that what is being said is an absolute and categorical lie and the truth is the opposite of what they are saying.

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I would say that is a very good starting point huxleypiggles..
All this pseudo opening up again is to appease the sheep for the elections ...none of them are even worth a vote...
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https://vimeo.com/62789770

We are hard-wired for sociality. But it is deeper than the purely personal. Where does meaning come from? How does meaning and our capacity to relate via it arise? Sociality is fundamental to many aspects of our cognitive life.

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Should not need an article to explain the importance of interacting with others in close proximity. We have known this since human history began. Its also not safety. Safety is the loaded word specifically designed to cause cognitive dissonance because you take something obviously important like social interaction which is a good thing and then you use another good thing like safety and then say that being alone and isolated will make you feel safe like interacting with others will not. Its true in that being at home is a safe place to be but you cannot compare social interaction with safety at home because its two different things that infer different circumstances. People are trying to unravel this very obvious play on words and there is the cognitive dissonance - they process safety, compare it with social interaction and then feel compelled to overstate the importance of safety over social interaction and you get the result of neglecting the latter for the former and subsequently negative consequences as a result. All the while the individual knows you cannot compare the two as both are important but both are assessed based on different variables.

The intention is simply down to the fact that the government know safety is in numbers but the government know safety in numbers means cohesion and collectively defined and organized goals and behaviours which in turn means resistance. When people value both safety AND social interaction but know you cannot sacrifice one to get the other and live a functional stable and healthy life you have a challenge for government to deal with.

Cognitive dissonance in this way has been used to warp the fundamental relationships people have with society in order to enact behavioural change. This was actually a key talking point in government discussions with SPI-B who proposed the idea that people were not fearful enough of the world ending virus and so needed nudging. This is actually what they call it and the government uses tactics employed by "nudge units" to influence behavioural change in the population. Of course we get to the issue of ethics and this goes against both the code of practice for BPS (British Psychological Society) but also internationally recognized codes of conduct, practice and law.

Either way make no mistake the most nuanced and simple tactics can be employed to manipulate perceptions in order to influence particular outcomes by simply making small changes to how people define relationships with things. Domestic violence perpetrators use similar tactics that are on the face so obvious and so easily challenged but upon persistent and calculated repetition really can condition the victim to believe something is true when it goes against everything they knew to say otherwise. And all that happens is there is a seed of doubt planted that fuels the process of removing "sticky" constructs and altering them to be more flexible using a slight of hand technique and nothing more. Nothing overly complex.

The belief in belonging to the group, in this case the belief of that group being society at large, also has a compounding effect on the individual towards complying despite knowing otherwise. This is also a large part of the process and creates a protective shield over the cognitive dissonance and also the methods used to attain this state. And this is because large crowds first do not act individually. And secondly because all are experiencing cognitive dissonance and so feel compelled to defend their perceptions. Much of this will undoubtedly be ego bound as a portion of these defense mechanisms will be based on denial over the initial trauma and also the over-representation of the group as following a higher order that devours the individual and focuses on collective goals, of which are to enforce the importance of isolation over social contact and interaction. The vicious circle. Dont forget groupthink. Janis defined the first academic research done on groupthink in the seventies and set the ball rolling for it being a genuine phenomenon.

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Nobody wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:24 am https://vimeo.com/62789770

We are hard-wired for sociality. But it is deeper than the purely personal. Where does meaning come from? How does meaning and our capacity to relate via it arise? Sociality is fundamental to many aspects of our cognitive life.
Life is a game of cyber-ball as Kip Williams suggests. Interesting how he got tired of rats and wanted to move on to humans. This is what SPI-B has been doing. They have been keeping the cyber-ball from us with their game.

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Well, his work shows that ostracism affects the same parts of the brain that process pain, so you are absolutely right.

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Nobody wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:00 pm Well, his work shows that ostracism affects the same parts of the brain that process pain, so you are absolutely right.
There's a feature called Foes under settings, where you can file all your boneheads. Their posts go in the bit bucket. I have no honest lockdown sceptics in my list. Just the Ernst Stavro Blofeld crazies; they are a nuisance and spoil the forum.

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As an Aspie, I am pretty inured to getting rejected and ostracized for random reasons, and I honestly don't give a shit how people view me or regard me. It does help that I acknowledge and empathize with those who lose loved ones, as it makes me more human and relatable to them and transcends the binary division between skeptics and the "Covid conscious".

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