Two revelations about vaccines

thelightcavalry
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Teebs wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 3:11 am
thelightcavalry wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 3:52 pm
I agree with your conclusions, but I am sceptical about this citation of recovery rates supposedly made by the CDC. I just made the mistake of quoting these figures to someone without verifying. Kindly supply a link to an authoritative source as I don't see it.
Calculations are from the data on this site:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... arios.html
Thanks. I believe that the figures you cite are from a 'Current Best Estimate' scenario from 8/2020. Here are the figures from the CDC link you sent as updated 3/2021:

• Ages 0 to 17 = 99.998%
• Ages 18 to 49 = 99.95%
• Ages 50 to 64 = 99.4%
• Ages 65 and older = 91.0%

The estimate for the oldest cohort is somewhat worse, but merely emphasizes the sanity of a focussed protection strategy a la the Great Barrington Declaration and conventional thinking prior to the current plague of the mind.

Teebs
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thelightcavalry wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 2:34 pm
Thanks. I believe that the figures you cite are from a 'Current Best Estimate' scenario from 8/2020. Here are the figures from the CDC link you sent as updated 3/2021:

• Ages 0 to 17 = 99.998%
• Ages 18 to 49 = 99.95%
• Ages 50 to 64 = 99.4%
• Ages 65 and older = 91.0%

The estimate for the oldest cohort is somewhat worse, but merely emphasizes the sanity of a focussed protection strategy a la the Great Barrington Declaration and conventional thinking prior to the current plague of the mind.
Thank you for the updated calculations that, in addition to backing the GBD approach, also show that vaccinating anyone under 65 is unjustified (and this assuming these un-approved vaccines are safe and effective for the over 65 - jury still out).

How ironic that the same government policies that forced perfectly healthy people who were at virtually no risk, to abstain from a normal life because of some "risk", now want to dismiss any and all risk associated with the vaccines as a precondition for some watered-down version of normal life.

miahoneybee
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Great posts teebs and mike..
:D

funtimes
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Teebs wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 4:47 pm
thelightcavalry wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 2:34 pm
Thanks. I believe that the figures you cite are from a 'Current Best Estimate' scenario from 8/2020. Here are the figures from the CDC link you sent as updated 3/2021:

• Ages 0 to 17 = 99.998%
• Ages 18 to 49 = 99.95%
• Ages 50 to 64 = 99.4%
• Ages 65 and older = 91.0%

The estimate for the oldest cohort is somewhat worse, but merely emphasizes the sanity of a focussed protection strategy a la the Great Barrington Declaration and conventional thinking prior to the current plague of the mind.
Thank you for the updated calculations that, in addition to backing the GBD approach, also show that vaccinating anyone under 65 is unjustified (and this assuming these un-approved vaccines are safe and effective for the over 65 - jury still out).

How ironic that the same government policies that forced perfectly healthy people who were at virtually no risk, to abstain from a normal life because of some "risk", now want to dismiss any and all risk associated with the vaccines as a precondition for some watered-down version of normal life.
Trauma and psychological torture will do this to you.
You have been gradually severed from a functional and stable sense of self, as is the aim of torture. The aim of the game is to get you so detached from who you are and what is reality that you cannot tell what is real anymore therefore opening the way for reprogramming ie behavioural change. It is being done at the sub-conscious level to hit deep. Now you are repeatedly throwing up the same questions hoping for things to change but the change itself is what you need to focus on as the same questions are now longer relevant if they dont involve the acknowledgment of the torture you have been through.

Without accepting this has happened and is happening you wont get over this for a very long time. And that makes you no different to the sheep because they too are in the same boat only they believe what happened them was because their cult leaders love them unconditionally. You must see the conditional relationship and so your eyes are half open but you are yet to fully wake up and see the full extent of the shit storm you have been through. You are flirting with dealing with the grief. In time you may connect the dots and partake on the rest of the journey. Or maybe you wont and you will simply be one of the victims of this whole thing lost in the sands of time stuck on repeat forever more with a new version of shell shock, covid shock.

Instead of saying that you were back in 'Nam and we werent there man you will be speaking in tongues under your breath about Hancock and vaccines while you break down into a psychotic break alongside a powerful flashback. We need to set up a covid veterans charity for all the lost souls who are forever lost in their broken minds, RIP.

I suspect you will still be in 20 years time like a deranged supply teacher writing equations and stats on the white board with your blood because you long since ran out of ink. Your eyes bulging and the sweat dripping down your face. The school long since deserted with trees bursting through the walls, the windows smashed and the kids long since grown up while you still frantically in your psychosis strive to solve the "enigma" that much of society solved several decades ago yet you couldnt bring yourself to accept.

You are not solving anything buddy. There is nothing to solve. The idea of solving something WAS the trap. Sucking you into investigating insanity as if it wasnt WAS the trap. You have been tortured. The puzzle to solve now is the torture itself and learning to move forward. Trying to rationalize the irrational is madness in the making. You have drank the kool aid. Accept it. And stop drinking it.

Or maybe you dont want to. Maybe you are hooked to the trauma bonding. Maybe you cannot live without your new servitude and this is your way of praying at the altar of your new Gods.

Teebs
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There is a potentially important legal corollary from the fact that these vaccines have not been approved and only made available under Emergency Use Authorisation (EUA):

They cannot be used as a precondition for anything.

That certainly appears to be the case in the US under federal law:

https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/23/fed ... er-an-eua/

This could effectively drive a horse and carriage through any vax-passport scheme, and no wonder the Biden administration has ruled out trying to enforce vaccines. They cannot.

I am not sure about the position in Europe/UK but would have thought it should be similar.

topturkey
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Great post and thread by everyone

funtimes, totally hear what you are saying as well. I already feel like that 'nam veteran and totally outcast with my opinions which are merely just showing the facts and I have never once judged anyone who wants to take the vaccine or indeed people like myself who don't (and in my circumstance nobody has been able to show me why when I have covid antibodies, or certainly did last time I was tested for them) why you'd even get the jab.

I argued with my 40yr old brother with it and another 42yr old woman last week. I didn't want to argue. They both told me i was more likely to die getting on a long haul flight of a blood clot than the AZ vaccine and it was 1 in a million. I showed them the stats (and this is just CVST clots, not long-term unknown issues). I told them both it would be banned in under40s if not above by the weekend, but they'd stop at 40-yrs old as they can hardly say they made a mistake now most 40s have been jabbed - they accept I was right but that i'm still completely misplaced in any doubts I have and i'm a scourge on society not getting it even though i've evidence my reasons and read the Yellow Card stats each week the minute they come out and do my own risk/reward calcs (which again given antibodies from covid-19 must be better than the vaccine with its lower efficacy is an easy calc to make!)

Someone tell me i'm being a d1ck. Funtimes, tell me to get over it or forever be outcast. I'm just really struggling!!!!

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That is fantastic news, but what does it come to when defence of civil liberties and what ought to be basic human rights reduces to technicalities relating to the legal status of a 'treatment' they have used health institutions to artificially create a market for?
One of the most depressing aspects of the public reception of this fiasco has been the poverty of the debate relating to lockdown and its effects. There is a long tradition of political thought concerning the status of the polis and its status for human beings that has been ignored completely. But this is part of the alienation of public life that the lockdown is part of and if the state can continue to institute these divisive forms it obviously will. The rationale has been established and it is a functional part of politics now so they will continue with it until they have achieved their goals of transforming access to public existence. It is part of a legalisation of access on the basis of a constructed political status: health, that never ought to be accepted. People's access to public forms of existence has always been, in practice, contravened by the complicated effects of income inequalities but this is something else entirely.

Teebs
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topturkey wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 9:27 am Great post and thread by everyone
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I argued with my 40yr old brother with it and another 42yr old woman last week. I didn't want to argue. They both told me i was more likely to die getting on a long haul flight of a blood clot than the AZ vaccine and it was 1 in a million.

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Yes but except that ... without the vax you probably won't get on that long haul flight!
So, avoiding both is really good for lowering risk of blood clots :lol:

On a more serious note: blood clots on long haul flights would happen in the legs. If you get up and stretch and walk in aisle every hour or 2, you should be fine.

But, vax can give blood clots in the brain and ... there is nothing you can do to try and stop those.
:cry:

Teebs
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Nobody wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 9:42 am That is fantastic news, but what does it come to when defence of civil liberties and what ought to be basic human rights reduces to technicalities relating to the legal status of a 'treatment' they have used health institutions to artificially create a market for?
I have now checked - as anyone can online - and the "approvals" of the vaccines in the UK and the EU did not happen.

In the UK, it was "temporary" authorisation of just one year, on an emergency basis.

In the EU it was "conditional", again on an emergency basis and "conditional" on the pharma companies providing future evidence of safety and efficacy.

In both cases, the pharma companies did not provide proof of either safety or efficacy. They just promised to do so down the line, and politics pushed for the "temporary" and "conditional" authorisations.

So, when Bojo and Hancock et al had a party about the "approved" vaccines they were, at the very least, being "flexible" with the truth.
Nobody wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 9:42 am One of the most depressing aspects of the public reception of this fiasco has been the poverty of the debate relating to lockdown and its effects.
And rolling out these vaccines is a main weapon in preventing/avoiding that debate.
"All is well that ends well" they say, as they try to brush everything under a big carpet.

But, it is not going to work. The vaccines are novel and experimental, unproven and unapproved, and they are having side effects and causing trouble.

In the meantime, the enormous destruction from lockdowns and all these measures just continue to accumulate. These desperate, flailing vaccines cannot cover this up.

Two wrongs making a third wrong.

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I sincerely hope you are right. The only hope, for me personally, is that the vaccines cause sufficient harm for there to be outcry so that the whole processes that have generated their expedience are then forever contested so that the groups producing the dram around the virus cannot use this strategy in the future. Sadly, the institutional power that have signified this virus so as to affect human existence all over the world has been so effective that, as things stand, they can continue to use scientific instruments to create new phenomenon, "variants", to continue the regime they have established. If the vaccines are accepted as effective, then we are condemned to existing in a global biostate where our human rights and political status will require certification, which, of course, renders them conditional on institutional processes when they are supposed to be inalienable. Having been unemployed all my adult life, I have endured second-class citizen status that has undermined everything I did in my life so this will just officialise these conditions. But, nevertheless, even though this new state will only formalise what as done informally by class-based social institutions before, I think the effective abandoning of any effective principle of universal human rights and a commitment to a participatory society, is alarming. It is possibly more honest since, in reality, political competence and participation was always exclusive anyway.
Sad when the only hope is mass vaccine damage but I see no other way the institutional apparatus creating this public reality will be forced to back off.
Great post Teebs.

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