Vaccine's - FAO the "Lurkers"

Speedstick
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It is well acknowledged and appreciated that adverse reactions to these Covid vaccines are, if anything, under reported Thinks, there have been many articles on this site highlighting that, and yet you disingenuously try to dismiss my earlier post in this thread due to lack of proven data of these afforementioned adverse reactions.
You could at least show some humility and humanity by acknowledging the suffering and misery caused to individuals and families by this mass vaccination programme. But no you push on with relentless 'jabs for all' crusade, seeing those harmed or even killed just as collateral damage or friendly fire.

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Speedstick wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:50 am It is well acknowledged and appreciated that adverse reactions to these Covid vaccines are, if anything, under reported Thinks, there have been many articles on this site highlighting that, and yet you disingenuously try to dismiss my earlier post in this thread due to lack of proven data of these afforementioned adverse reactions.
You could at least show some humility and humanity by acknowledging the suffering and misery caused to individuals and families by this mass vaccination programme. But no you push on with relentless 'jabs for all' crusade, seeing those harmed or even killed just as collateral damage or friendly fire.
What is your estimation of lives saved vs lives cost, with respect to the vaccination program.

You must have some rationale, otherwise your view would be demonstrated as an uninformed opinion.

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Are you suggesting some level of lives lost because of the vaccines is acceptable because it's less than the putative number of lives saved by the vaccines?

If so what is the ratio you think is acceptable? And is it different for adults (as currently open to vaccines) compared to children?

What are the acceptable numbers or ratios according to your qualifications?

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thinksaboutit wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:23 am
Speedstick wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:50 am It is well acknowledged and appreciated that adverse reactions to these Covid vaccines are, if anything, under reported Thinks, there have been many articles on this site highlighting that, and yet you disingenuously try to dismiss my earlier post in this thread due to lack of proven data of these afforementioned adverse reactions.
You could at least show some humility and humanity by acknowledging the suffering and misery caused to individuals and families by this mass vaccination programme. But no you push on with relentless 'jabs for all' crusade, seeing those harmed or even killed just as collateral damage or friendly fire.
What is your estimation of lives saved vs lives cost, with respect to the vaccination program.

You must have some rationale, otherwise your view would be demonstrated as an uninformed opinion.
We all know that the cost of this fiasco has been astronomic. The lockdowns, restrictions, consequent destruction of business, corruption and waste was necessary to usher in the new attempt at universal 'vaccination' with unproven, untested novel technology. That has cost half a trillion give or take 40 or 50 billion by your employer's admission. The subcost of the so called vaccination program has already cost per head is known; that yet to be paid in cost of ADR deaths and long term consequences to the economy is not. But it is not going top be small.

Perhaps you or your collegues might be able to enlighten us ?

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RichardTechnik wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:58 am
thinksaboutit wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 11:23 am
Speedstick wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:50 am It is well acknowledged and appreciated that adverse reactions to these Covid vaccines are, if anything, under reported Thinks, there have been many articles on this site highlighting that, and yet you disingenuously try to dismiss my earlier post in this thread due to lack of proven data of these afforementioned adverse reactions.
You could at least show some humility and humanity by acknowledging the suffering and misery caused to individuals and families by this mass vaccination programme. But no you push on with relentless 'jabs for all' crusade, seeing those harmed or even killed just as collateral damage or friendly fire.
What is your estimation of lives saved vs lives cost, with respect to the vaccination program.

You must have some rationale, otherwise your view would be demonstrated as an uninformed opinion.
We all know that the cost of this fiasco has been astronomic. The lockdowns, restrictions, consequent destruction of business, corruption and waste was necessary to usher in the new attempt at universal 'vaccination' with unproven, untested novel technology. That has cost half a trillion give or take 40 or 50 billion by your employer's admission. The subcost of the so called vaccination program has already cost per head is known; that yet to be paid in cost of ADR deaths and long term consequences to the economy is not. But it is not going top be small.

Perhaps you or your collegues might be able to enlighten us ?
Yes it will be shown to be very very expensive. Obviously.....

Question is ... "cost of reacting to the pandemic" vs. "cost of not reacting to the pandemic"

Not sure why you reference by employer, though. I don't think a bike shop will have made a press release on this topic.

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Quite frankly I have no idea of the lives saved v lives lost via the vaccination programme, this of course will not be fully realised for many years/ decades.
However I am vehement that not a single death, particularly a child death is acceptable in my opinion, you cannot intervene with a intervention purportedly to save lives that its very self ends lives, who can possibly accept this metric, who gives authority to play maker, and decide who dies and who lives, it is the stuff of nightmares.
What really puzzles me Thinks is yours and the governments refusal to accept any questioning of the vaccine or the vaccination programme.
This is not science to boldly and blindly follow one measure despite warning signs.
In end of life care, I have experience in, reflective practice is constantly used with input taken from all parties to gauge how we did, and how we can do better next time with every single patient, we do not just listen to the views of the lead consultant just because he has the highest qualification and access to the most data. Genuine input from all concerned is science, not a blanket measure that must never ever be questioned.

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RichardTechnik wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:58 am Perhaps you or your collegues might be able to enlighten us ?
Perhaps you can stop feeding the trolls and it will have to return to the rock it came out from under. Dont you want to feel better about all this? Or do you constantly want to live in a negative destructive environment with all the wrong people around you who dont serve you and are not for you constantly trying to knock you down. By identifying with the toxic divides in society you are simply part of the problem. Why would you even entertain people that dont even hide what they really think of people like yourself? Havent you seen what is going on in society and the harms they are causing? Do you not have better things to do with your life? Or are you just a victim who is addicted to being beaten down and whipped?

Get some respect buddy and stop feeding the trolls. These people dont like you and they never will. They are here to try and harm you and exploit the current circumstances by picking off the lowest hanging fruit, which is what unstable lonely and desperate people do when its too hard to be a better person.

Laughable. The jokes on you. The trolls you are feeding are getting what they want while you get nothing but a beating and sent on your way. Hey, if thats the sort of relationships you want in your life then you carry on. If it is you arent in any position to talk about COVID-19 considering this whole thing is based on yet another abusive relationship dynamic not entirely different from narcissistic abuse. If you like putting yourself on a plate to trolls what are you complaining about the lockdowns for? The lockdowns should be right up your street. You are essentially locked down now, in an abusive relationship with a stranger even though you have infinite other options to choose from.

You say you are free and what freedom and yet you use it to bring people into your life who dont want those things and openly tell you that to your face. Just something to think about buddy. If you want to be involved in the conversation preferably make sure you arent yourself compromised by the very issues you are talking about. A bit rich defending freedom when yours is spent on a forum trying to get the world to pat you on the back and tell you that you are a good boy. As you can see, it aint happening! Maybe time to change your approach to something more functional?

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I would not agree that time spent on ls posting is to get a pat on the back..
I don't engage with the trolls as it's not worth my time or effort but those that do are aware the trolls get off on it and that they will not change their mind and visa versa I dont thinking because of a holier than thou attitude.....they point out the trolls ridiculous posts with facts and their opinions of their own research I dont think there is any other interior motive..
Ls are well aware of the abusive relationship they are in and how they came to be in it..we are well aware of the facts. The resistance is to the abusive relationship which the trolls support so both goes hand in hand...

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miahoneybee wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:24 am I would not agree that time spent on ls posting is to get a pat on the back..
It is a form of gratification. Gratification is self serving. You achieve nothing trying to get a release from those who are well beyond offering themselves a release let alone you. The lunatics run the asylum. You dont solve that issue by entertaining their madness. You solve the issue by putting yourself back into control and asserting authority. You do that with actions not your words as the lunatic knows words can and will be manipulated.

At the moment they see you as weak and therefore an easy target which is why they keep coming back. When you rise above them and dont give them your time they are left to the reality they are really all alone and nobody wants them. They are the odd balls of the group talking to themselves. You better believe they wont want to sit and swallow their pride and accept they are crazy by not having anyone give them attention. So they will f*ck off and find new targets. This is what you want. You dont want them here quite clearly so why continue to welcome them everytime they return by actually engaging with them?

Where is the law that says you are now property of someone or something else? Did you sign yourself over to the believers? Where is that contract? It doesnt exist and yet you are running with it by assuming you really have to give these people your time like they are important. They are NOT important and they NEVER were, shown by how easy it was for them to turn against their own communities and rail against the very foundations that made them who they are and what they believed in and the lives they lived up until this point. Those people are insignificant. So why give them your time? Stand true and assert yourself and you can do that just being yourself and being so unapologetically, with courage, confidence, fearlessness etc.

What is the worst that will happen? They throw you in jail for choosing to be yourself? What is going to happen in society? You get hung in the town center while everyone dances and cheers with pitchforks? Not going to happen. Do not fear being able to be yourself and standing for what and who you are. You do not need to ask permission. Likewise and here you do not need permission but that is what you are doing. You are making the trolls judge and jury and you the defendant.

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