The EU is to have vaccine status certification

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fon
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The EU is to have vaccine status certification

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The EU is to have vaccine status certification


https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/04/29 ... rt-scheme/

So it makes no odds what our State here thinks or does, the world is ploughing on with or without any relation to Mr Johnson or Mr Hancock, they are merely bobbing up and down on the tide of global affairs.

This should be a relief to those who think vaccine status certification is part of a uk state scheme to enslave Humanity. Pressure for this is merely a high-tech extension of existing protocols for the management of infectious diseases, e.g. yellow fever etc.and innoculation requirement going back many decades.

For all of us who have followed the design, implementation, and use of single sign on systems since before 2002, it will be no surprise that digital identity has become a global means of authentication (i.e. you are who you say you are) and authorization (you have the rights you say you have.) Authn/Authz is what it is all about, and it's fair enough if you pause to think for 2 seconds,

We do not want to live in a world where people pretend to be someone they are not to steal or where people say they own things or rights they do not own. It is right to be suspicious since there are so many wrongful reasons to deceive for profit, and it is quite correct to raise barriers against that. So I heartily welcome secure digital Ids and (if necessary) ways to use secure digital Ids to access services and /or make use of our rights. This is a mighty good thing for all people who value justice and honesty, it's a bad day for crooks and law breakers.

Splatt
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Re: The EU is to have vaccine status certification

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There's no such thing as a *secure* digital ID.

Thats the main problem. Always has been and always will be.

jmc
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Re: The EU is to have vaccine status certification

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fon wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:39 pm The EU is to have vaccine status certification


https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/04/29 ... rt-scheme/

So it makes no odds what our State here thinks or does, the world is ploughing on with or without any relation to Mr Johnson or Mr Hancock, they are merely bobbing up and down on the tide of global affairs.

This should be a relief to those who think vaccine status certification is part of a uk state scheme to enslave Humanity. Pressure for this is merely a high-tech extension of existing protocols for the management of infectious diseases, e.g. yellow fever etc.and innoculation requirement going back many decades.

For all of us who have followed the design, implementation, and use of single sign on systems since before 2002, it will be no surprise that digital identity has become a global means of authentication (i.e. you are who you say you are) and authorization (you have the rights you say you have.) Authn/Authz is what it is all about, and it's fair enough if you pause to think for 2 seconds,

We do not want to live in a world where people pretend to be someone they are not to steal or where people say they own things or rights they do not own. It is right to be suspicious since there are so many wrongful reasons to deceive for profit, and it is quite correct to raise barriers against that. So I heartily welcome secure digital Ids and (if necessary) ways to use secure digital Ids to access services and /or make use of our rights. This is a mighty good thing for all people who value justice and honesty, it's a bad day for crooks and law breakers.
This "COVID passports" stupidity wont fly because they wont stand any legal challenge. The Commission was told in no uncertain terms by its legal advisors that any attempt to bring in a EU wide scheme would fail on legal grounds. But as Von Den Leyen is involved pig-headed stupidity will remain the Commissions position until mugged by reality. Some countries, it might stick for a while. But not long. The simplest way of stopping it legally is to point out how racist its is. Which it is in woke-land. Where most politicians (and the whole media) now live.

If you want an easy intro to the real world digital security / ID area and why its a total clusetrf*ck, always has been, always will be, try reading Krebs On Security. Lots of horror stories there. Those are just the general interest stories. The real technical details are much much worse. Such as why there is no such thing as a secure desktop computer. Or very few secure servers. At the hardware level. If you have never had to clock cycle count you would never ever understand the why.

As for the whole digital identity fantasy. You do know that the whole Estonian system was compromised by a state actor more than a decade ago. The country that is always held up as the poster child for universal digital identity. The public story was a nationwide DDOS attack by free-lancers but in fact it was a lot more serious and it took almost three weeks for the German (and NATO) unit shipped in (now folded into CIR) to regain complete control of all network infrastructure inside the county. And that only happened because the GRU unit involved decided they had made their point and pretty much stopped.

Then there is the repeated fiascos of the Indian National ID scheme. The most recent of which is when a third party (looks like the Chinese) scraped all the data. Just to make a point. To the Indian government.

And finally the all invasive Chinese system, Which tracks the law abiding population 24 hours a day. And all the crooks have multiple digital identities and the big boys use disposable identities which can be bough from bent government officials for a couple of thousand yuan.

The most secure ID system involves paper, photos, and human eyes looking at both. Because it is so trivial to compromises any digital system. Especially for state actors or those with those kind of technical resources. Or those who can social engineer / bribe to get the same results. You know, criminals.

fon
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jmc wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:55 pm This "COVID passports" stupidity won't fly
it does not have to fly anywhere you silly moron, sovereignty is the right to make or unmake any law.
how racist it is.
all races can have a digital identity you fool , all people have a medical history, next case please. get the noisy cretin out of here.
few secure servers.
you are clearly far too ignorant to understand the concept of safe enough. Or even the notion of incremental improvement… you are too dim to take notice of.Please get lost.
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CoronanationStreet
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fon wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:39 pm The EU is to have vaccine status certification


https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/04/29 ... rt-scheme/

So it makes no odds what our State here thinks or does, the world is ploughing on with or without any relation to Mr Johnson or Mr Hancock, they are merely bobbing up and down on the tide of global affairs.

This should be a relief to those who think vaccine status certification is part of a uk state scheme to enslave Humanity. Pressure for this is merely a high-tech extension of existing protocols for the management of infectious diseases, e.g. yellow fever etc.and innoculation requirement going back many decades.

For all of us who have followed the design, implementation, and use of single sign on systems since before 2002, it will be no surprise that digital identity has become a global means of authentication (i.e. you are who you say you are) and authorization (you have the rights you say you have.) Authn/Authz is what it is all about, and it's fair enough if you pause to think for 2 seconds,

We do not want to live in a world where people pretend to be someone they are not to steal or where people say they own things or rights they do not own. It is right to be suspicious since there are so many wrongful reasons to deceive for profit, and it is quite correct to raise barriers against that. So I heartily welcome secure digital Ids and (if necessary) ways to use secure digital Ids to access services and /or make use of our rights. This is a mighty good thing for all people who value justice and honesty, it's a bad day for crooks and law breakers.
It's very confusing. How have we moved from "Saving the NHS" from having to treat too many old people at once to people on here and elsewhere trumpeting about the introduction of universal global digital IDs and tracking systems.

I thought the lockdown was to save the NHS?

Splatt
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CoronanationStreet wrote: Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:53 pm
I thought the lockdown was to save the NHS?
Meanwhile, in the Guardian:
| NEW: Senior Oxford Scientist James Naismith says: “I think we’ll re-impose mask wearing in the winter on crowded indoor spaces. It has the benefit of reducing flu.”
We've moved on from #zerocovid to #zerodisease.
Humans are nothing more than filthy disease vectors and are to be treated as such.

CoronanationStreet
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Inevitable from the public health fascists. It is no great leap to see how this leads to permanently banning alcohol, sugar, processed foods etc

thinksaboutit
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Re: The EU is to have vaccine status certification

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jmc wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:55 pm
fon wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:39 pm The EU is to have vaccine status certification


https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/04/29 ... rt-scheme/

So it makes no odds what our State here thinks or does, the world is ploughing on with or without any relation to Mr Johnson or Mr Hancock, they are merely bobbing up and down on the tide of global affairs.

This should be a relief to those who think vaccine status certification is part of a uk state scheme to enslave Humanity. Pressure for this is merely a high-tech extension of existing protocols for the management of infectious diseases, e.g. yellow fever etc.and innoculation requirement going back many decades.

For all of us who have followed the design, implementation, and use of single sign on systems since before 2002, it will be no surprise that digital identity has become a global means of authentication (i.e. you are who you say you are) and authorization (you have the rights you say you have.) Authn/Authz is what it is all about, and it's fair enough if you pause to think for 2 seconds,

We do not want to live in a world where people pretend to be someone they are not to steal or where people say they own things or rights they do not own. It is right to be suspicious since there are so many wrongful reasons to deceive for profit, and it is quite correct to raise barriers against that. So I heartily welcome secure digital Ids and (if necessary) ways to use secure digital Ids to access services and /or make use of our rights. This is a mighty good thing for all people who value justice and honesty, it's a bad day for crooks and law breakers.
This "COVID passports" stupidity wont fly because they wont stand any legal challenge. The Commission was told in no uncertain terms by its legal advisors that any attempt to bring in a EU wide scheme would fail on legal grounds. But as Von Den Leyen is involved pig-headed stupidity will remain the Commissions position until mugged by reality. Some countries, it might stick for a while. But not long. The simplest way of stopping it legally is to point out how racist its is. Which it is in woke-land. Where most politicians (and the whole media) now live.

If you want an easy intro to the real world digital security / ID area and why its a total clusetrf*ck, always has been, always will be, try reading Krebs On Security. Lots of horror stories there. Those are just the general interest stories. The real technical details are much much worse. Such as why there is no such thing as a secure desktop computer. Or very few secure servers. At the hardware level. If you have never had to clock cycle count you would never ever understand the why.

As for the whole digital identity fantasy. You do know that the whole Estonian system was compromised by a state actor more than a decade ago. The country that is always held up as the poster child for universal digital identity. The public story was a nationwide DDOS attack by free-lancers but in fact it was a lot more serious and it took almost three weeks for the German (and NATO) unit shipped in (now folded into CIR) to regain complete control of all network infrastructure inside the county. And that only happened because the GRU unit involved decided they had made their point and pretty much stopped.

Then there is the repeated fiascos of the Indian National ID scheme. The most recent of which is when a third party (looks like the Chinese) scraped all the data. Just to make a point. To the Indian government.

And finally the all invasive Chinese system, Which tracks the law abiding population 24 hours a day. And all the crooks have multiple digital identities and the big boys use disposable identities which can be bough from bent government officials for a couple of thousand yuan.

The most secure ID system involves paper, photos, and human eyes looking at both. Because it is so trivial to compromises any digital system. Especially for state actors or those with those kind of technical resources. Or those who can social engineer / bribe to get the same results. You know, criminals.
You better turn-in your passport and driving license then. Did you know this information is stored on a database?
Your medical records? Your tax records? Your credit history? Your bank records? and so on.....

A system knowing if you've had a vaccination should be least of your worries.

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The fact that your neighbour is a curtain twitcher is no reason to not close your own curtains. In this case, the institution (nhs) is so hopeless at handling data that the best course of action is to accept a vaccination appointment, then no-show. There's a miniscule chance of nhs admin knowing the difference.

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