sweden failing

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fon
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sweden failing

Post by fon »

Looking at vaccination, Sweden is nor doing well.
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And it is starting to show:
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Splatt
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Meanwhile, in the real world, without crazy selective graphs to distort reality:
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Sweden pretty much level with most of the EU for case rates and slightly ahead on vaccinations.

....and they;re the control group in this horrific science experiment.

GingerNinja
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Re: sweden failing

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Excuse my ignorance, but why are case rates important in a vaccinated world? I've been ignoring things for a while and trying to enjoy life, but I thought I'd come back to reality today.

I thought the vaccines didn't stop the spread, but only stopped the seriousness of the illness? If so cases become a meaningless metric surely?

As I say I've become quite ignorant on the details so please do inform.

Occamsrazor
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It isn't failing at all. If there's one thing we should have learned during the last 16 months, it's that governments can say or do whatever they like, but nothing will have any particular effect on a coronavirus like Covid. Its ecological niche is the common one of being quite transmissible and not very deadly, so messing about with NPIs and vaccination-for-all is a complete waste of time and money. Sweden aren't doing any worse than anyone else, and by some measures, are doing better.

sunjor
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Occamsrazor wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:35 pm It isn't failing at all. If there's one thing we should have learned during the last 16 months, it's that governments can say or do whatever they like, but nothing will have any particular effect on a coronavirus like Covid. Its ecological niche is the common one of being quite transmissible and not very deadly, so messing about with NPIs and vaccination-for-all is a complete waste of time and money. Sweden aren't doing any worse than anyone else, and by some measures, are doing better.
And presumably without the consequences of NPI's?

Splatt
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GingerNinja wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 9:31 am Excuse my ignorance, but why are case rates important in a vaccinated world?
They're not. Unless you're fixated on cases and the impossible "zerocovid" solution.
Sadly Boris and many other countries are.
I thought the vaccines didn't stop the spread, but only stopped the seriousness of the illness?
They all do a good job stopping serious illness. The mRNAs are very good at stopping infection and pretty good at stopping transmission.
Viral vector vaccines arent so good at stopping infection or transmission do will do a bit (unless its .351 variant).

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