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MikeAustin wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:36 am Something that represents an intervention, at the same time, in all care homes, and hospitals, in the same cohorts?
Something called the depth of winter propelled this infection curve to shoot up like a rocket! Cases went from 300,000 to nearly a million in four weeks.
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Did you watch the Joel Smalley video?
Joel was bending himself into a pretzel, and wound up fitting 3 gompertz polynomials, one on top of the other to get the shape he wanted. If you throw every trick in the book at a curve, guess what, you'll get it to fit in the end, and that's what Joel Smalley did: you can even make the batman logo if you add a bit more!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0shhLd_JrhA
There: you can fit anything with functions:
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FFS, Joel should be ashamed of himself for a stunt like that!

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StPiosCafe wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:14 pm
MikeAustin wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:36 am Something that represents an intervention, at the same time, in all care homes, and hospitals, in the same cohorts?
Something called the depth of winter propelled this infection curve to shoot up like a rocket! Cases went from 300,000 to nearly a million in four weeks.
Cases - misattributed by the infamous PCR test - mean little.
Deaths had been following the normal seasonal average, plus a bit, for weeks. Then they shot up. And they shot up later than the normal seasonal peak. And they shot up in care homes and hospitals - not at home. And they shot up as the vaccination programmed was implemented.
Joel was bending himself into a pretzel, and wound up fitting 3 gompertz polynomials, one on top of the other to get the shape he wanted.
The peculiar behaviour needed some investigation. He fitted Gompertz curves to the actual pandemics in different countries with single curves.

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MikeAustin wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:02 pm [He fitted Gompertz curves to the actual pandemics in different countries with single curves.
Well it's an ideal function for that, it has a shallow bit as it rises asymptotically off zero, a steep bit and another asymptotical trail to max. That's why it fits so many things, I guess, you can make it any shape you want, if you squint a bit and ignore the gaps!

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StPiosCafe wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:58 pm
MikeAustin wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:02 pm [He fitted Gompertz curves to the actual pandemics in different countries with single curves.
Well it's an ideal function for that, it has a shallow bit as it rises asymptotically off zero, a steep bit and another asymptotical trail to max. That's why it fits so many things, I guess, you can make it any shape you want, if you squint a bit and ignore the gaps!
It is indeed an ideal function that has been around for 150 years and has been used to match real world data very well. Joel Smalley established a baseline to fit several years mortalities with their seasonal influences. He subtracted the 2020 baseline to show a Gompertz curve for the actual pandemic separate from seasonal effects. It was not merely a case of taking any curve function that he wanted. He took the standard, tried and tested, Gompertz curve.

The curve he created for November's 'hump' was a compound Gompertz curve, also separated from seasonal effects. When regions behave with a degree of independence, it is quite reasonable to superpose curves to represent those regions. Indeed, as I previously mentioned, Ivor Cummins combined two quite distinct curves for the USA on a coarser scale. Joel used two curves (he could have used more, but only two were required). This representation did not allow for the later rise in deaths after they had begun to fall from around 25th November to mid-December. This rise just happened to be when the vaccination programme got under way.

This anomaly requires explanation. He tried in vain to match with three Gompertz curves, but could not get any sensible fit at all. His conclusion was that something else was operating other than a pandemic. The vaccination programme was an obvious candidate. He had seen correlations in other countries, so he was really obliged to investigate this possibility. The correlation is a remarkable but, as he says, he needs to see more detailed information about the deaths which may never be forthcoming. It looks like a smoking hypodermic to me.

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A great post mike A ....it politely puts into words what many feel is happening which is very sinister and alarming ....genocide of the elderly.

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MikeAustin wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:02 pm
Cases - misattributed by the infamous PCR test - mean little.
NO PCR tests used, you are clutching at straws like Joel. The curve is from the ZOE app, no PCR tests involved. Do not pursue this line,Mike, I had respected you until this. The Casedemic idea has been trashed many times, even Toby Young admitted he was wrong about that.

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MikeAustin wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:02 pm It looks like a smoking hypodermic to me.
you said it yourself - it just happened to be when the vaccination programme got under way.

you are using circular logic, the deaths went up when cases went up and cases went up when vaccinations went up, and vaccinations went up in the middle of winter, therefore the middle of winter caused the vaccinations to go up, which caused more cases!! It's for the birds.

The most economical explanation is this: winter came, cases shot up, so deaths shot up,
in the midst of that vaccinations started. Mystery solved, no need for complex equations, it's trivial.

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StPiosCafe wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:34 am
MikeAustin wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:02 pm
Cases - misattributed by the infamous PCR test - mean little.
NO PCR tests used, you are clutching at straws like Joel.. The curve is from the ZOE app, no PCR tests involved.
We both use ONS and NHS data, not ZOE. These categorise using PCR.
We don't clutch - but we have a better grasp than you, it would appear.

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StPiosCafe wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:45 am
MikeAustin wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:02 pm It looks like a smoking hypodermic to me.
you said it yourself - it just happened to be when the vaccination programme got under way.
you are using circular logic
Don't mistake running rings round you for circular logic. You simply have not spent the time and effort on this that people like Joel have done.
There are quite clear anomalies that happen following vaccinations. They need explaining. We use total deaths and determine what is out of the ordinary rather than rely on misattributed cases and deaths from PCR tests.

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MikeAustin wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:08 am
We both use ONS and NHS data, not ZOE. These categorise using PCR.
We don't clutch - but we have a better grasp than you, it would appear.
Wrong. I use the ZOE app and the mid winter surge can be seen with zero PCR or other chemical tests. It was real , no truth whatsoever in Casedemic the idea. There was a massive surge in cases, not related to vaccines (since vaccines reduced cases in all trials and survey) but they take weeks to kick in. Massive surge in cases caused concomitant surge in deaths. What is there to talk about?

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