AstraZeneca No Worse Than Other Vaccines for Blood Clots, Study Finds

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TheEngineer
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AstraZeneca No Worse Than Other Vaccines for Blood Clots, Study Finds

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Perhaps that should read "Other Vaccines no better than AstraZeneca for blood clots? Either way I won't be having the jab. Anyone in doubt might the advised to read Vernon Coleman's boot published a few years ago on vaccines in general: "Anyone Who Tells You Vaccines Are Safe and Effective is Lying".

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Re: AstraZeneca No Worse Than Other Vaccines for Blood Clots, Study Finds

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TheEngineer wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:12 pm Perhaps that should read "Other Vaccines no better than AstraZeneca for blood clots? Either way I won't be having the jab. Anyone in doubt might the advised to read Vernon Coleman's boot published a few years ago on vaccines in general: "Anyone Who Tells You Vaccines Are Safe and Effective is Lying".
Well, it is very interesting if it is true (you've not included a reference).

There are two competing theories as to why clotting might occur with the vaccines.
  • Adenovirus based therapies have been known to cause clot problems for some years.
  • There is evidence that clotting problems during covid-19 infection are due to antibodies to the various coronavirus proteins reacting with platelets in some way.
If all of the vaccines suffer from this problem then it suggests that the latter theory is more likely.

The issue with this is that it might suggest that those that have been vaccinated might suffer from a risk of blood clotting problems every time there is a covid wave passing through. Ie, exposure to covid might stimulate new anti-covid antibodies to be produced, including those that result in a clotting problem. Note that if this were to be true it could be a risk for all vaccinated, rather than just those in the vulnerable groups. I'd say that there's no evidence for this at the moment, but it is a risk that I have not seen explored at all in the scientific press (I'd be very happy if it were to be considered and discounted based on evidence).

I'd add that it makes me rather cross that AZ (and J&J) dismissed the risk of blood clotting problems when they first emerged, despite their scientists surely having knowledge of the risks of clotting disorders in adenovirus vectored therapies.

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Re: AstraZeneca No Worse Than Other Vaccines for Blood Clots, Study Finds

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TheEngineer wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:12 pm Vernon Coleman's boot
He's got a long rap sheet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Coleman
Just saying..

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Re: AstraZeneca No Worse Than Other Vaccines for Blood Clots, Study Finds

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Terrible study using the same deliberately misleading figures.
They're keen to use the overall population average for clots because it boosts the background rate.
They're not keen to use the background rate broken down for specific age demographics because then its 10s or more times higher in AZ...

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Re: AstraZeneca No Worse Than Other Vaccines for Blood Clots, Study Finds

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TheEngineer wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:12 pm Perhaps that should read "Other Vaccines no better than AstraZeneca for blood clots? Either way I won't be having the jab. Anyone in doubt might the advised to read Vernon Coleman's boot published a few years ago on vaccines in general: "Anyone Who Tells You Vaccines Are Safe and Effective is Lying".
Anyone who listens to Vernon Coleman and believes him should get help.

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