Fingal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:26 pm
Splatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:47 am
If covid infections balloon again - because we get a vaccine resistant variant - the government will probably lock down. Which nobody wants.
Want is nothing to do with it. Its also got nothing to do with travel.
So we have 2 options. We can take a gamble. We can hope that none of the new variants ever pose a serious threat to vaccine control - and therefore leave the borders totally open. Travel anywhere!
You mean normal life? Exactly what we've always done. A reasonable, sensible assessment of risk as opposed to permanent imprisonment?
But if we do that, we have to assume that every single variant in the world will end up on our ultra-connected doorstep sooner or later.
You want to play the gamble that none of those variants will breach our vaccine control. From where we're sitting today, that is one stupendously risky strategy.
You seem to think that (i) mutants are only a problem outside and (ii) you can keep 100% biosecurity and imprisonment forever more.
Mutants happen. They'll happen more rapidly once vaccination picks up.
B.1.1.7 evolved here naturally without travel.
B.1.1.7 picked up 484K completely naturally without travel or exposure.
501Y and others have evolved independently countless times globally.
Thats how it works. It happens. Its nothing to do with travel.
You're actually trying to argue that stopping someone going on holiday is going to defeat convergent evolution. Laughable.
The risks are off the scale. But for the sake of the travel industry alone, that's the risk you want to play.
No they aren't. Stop being so utterly hysterical.
We've already reduced SARs2 to Flu like IFRs. This wont change. Totally vaccine evasion to the point it evades T-cells and can start causing serious illness and death is going to take years, if it happens at all.
That can be easily controlled.
Why aren't you arguing for travel bans to stop pandemic Flu - long accepted as the biggest pandemic threat to the country due to its rapid mutants and lethality in certain demographics?
It doesn't mean no more travel, ever. It means restrict travel until we can understand the threat variants present.
You're literally arguing for no more travel ever. We understand the mutation rate. We understand the variant threat. This isn't the first virus we've seen.
You are never ever going to stop natural selection, never going to stop variants and due to the nature of the economy and geography can never ever stop travel 100% to prevent inflow anyway.
You've gone full batshit Sridhar. Arguing for never ending restrictions based purely on the precautionary principle on steroids.
Sharing Boris' fear of ever returning to normality in case a hypothetical at some point arises and causes a perceived threat.
You're ignoring the fact we don't react with this insanity to other viruses that are (i) more transmissible (ii) more rapidly mutating and (iii) more deadly.
Flu has partial vaccine evasion every year or two. Why wasn't there widespread hysteria there?
And thats without the social issue - why are you so keen to imprison a population on this grey, shitty island and deprive them of the only leisure and relaxation they get based purely on your paranoia and fear of normal?