Ivermectin

Treatments and their effectiveness, herd immunity, masks, testing, etc.
rachel.c
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Post by rachel.c »

I won't get into fruitless debate over the evidence. Experienced doctors in many countries know that EARLY treatment with Ivermectin, HCQ/zinc, or high dose Vit C can help keep the vulnerable out of hospital. Problem is no one wants to listen eg watch interview with Craig Kelly referenced in today's LS
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kt5O2UYbT ... e=youtu.be

1984
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Again nonsense. The data is all over the shop, no properly randomised or controlled trials, no standard phases of dosage. Its nothing but an anecdotal mess with no attempt at all to look at interactions with other diseases and medications
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The FLCCC protocols are quite clear.
Trial Site News and Dr Been (and many others) have analysed the studies in some detail

You continue to throw out Inflammatory insults and generalised dismissals without actually addressing the evidence.

The recent Vit C / Zn trial results were disappointing but did not demonstrate Vit C did nothing - you are being disingenious or churlish to state that given your declared level of expertise

The evidence for Vit D is compelling

Splatt
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The data has been analysed and found fallen short.

There are so many things wrong it'd be thrown out as junk by any reputable peer reviewer or journal.
No normalisation of groups, no blind or double blinding, no consistency in treatment regime. No consistency in measurement of effects.
No consistency or normalisation of control groups.

Its a hatchet job analysis built on top of very unreliable data.

This is why its not accepted anywhere at all and wont be until we get data of a robust enough quality to pass clinical trials

That IS addressing the evidence. The studies are so badly done they are not and cannot be accepted by any reputable peer review.

Which begs the question, if the data is supposed to be that good, why is it so hard for them to actually implement and pass a proper clinical trial protocol?

And no, it not "big pharma" nonsense.

1984
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Post by 1984 »

More ivermectin + other news from Egypt and Japan etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMhZi3aC5As

marty48ls
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Post by marty48ls »

What I don't understand is why if Ivermectin may be a game changer why so few clinical studies have been undertaken to validate what I believe would change the treatment considerably. Dead ends are very important streets in life. Why is more time and money not put into looking for alternatives

jsampson45
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If there are so many bad studies of ivermectin and whatever else, why is this? Why waste time and money doing bad studies? Perhaps there needs to be a crash programme to fund decent studies so that we know things, starting last year. The government seems to have bet the farm on vaccines (and lockdowns, of course) as though there can be nothing else.

Splatt
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Latest one out today:-

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... DY.twitter
Key Points
Question What is the effect of ivermectin on duration of symptoms in adults with mild COVID-19?

Findings In this randomized clinical trial that included 476 patients, the duration of symptoms was not significantly different for patients who received a 5-day course of ivermectin compared with placebo (median time to resolution of symptoms, 10 vs 12 days; hazard ratio for resolution of symptoms, 1.07).

Meaning The findings do not support the use of ivermectin for treatment of mild COVID-19, although larger trials may be needed to understand effects on other clinically relevant outcomes.

richardw53
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Post by richardw53 »

Here is information about the meta analysis of trials - the whole thing is worth watching but the middle interview is with DrTess Laurie who put it together: https://www.reddit.com/r/ivermectin/com ... rees_with/

guy153
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Post by guy153 »

The is the meta-analysis that Lawrie is probably talking about in the film:

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... e_Alliance

It looks pretty good to me-- lots of RCTs mostly with statistically significant results. Are there other RCTs I should be looking at that show the opposite?

1984
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Post by 1984 »

Dr John Campbell - somewhat late to the party - again - but good on him for sharing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix8i7dfsCJg

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