fon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:15 pm
Well since the it is known that risk of clots is greater
in unvaccinated, if I felt unlucky, Ior if I felt lucky, I'd still take the vaccine.
Except we don't know that. Im assuming you didn't read the Science article.
The cases from Norway and Germany were way above background and in a young demographic.
Most clots in society are the elderly not the young.
Its quite possible the UK, if there is an issue, may not have noticed because we're generally giving AZ to the older groups and the younger getting stabbed are mainly health care workers and they get Pfizer due to their work location.
Its not just clots, the risk of adverse reactions runs at 10-20 or so per million looking at MHRA so again, if you assume a 30 million adult population thats 1 or 2 people that will end up seriously ill or possibly dead from taking a vaccine they don't need.
Again its all about evaluating risk and not increasing it. If someone is older then yes the vaccine is worthwhile. No question.
But then someone who is NOT older the risk of an adverse vaccine reaction can outweigh the risk of catching and then becoming seriously ill from covid.
qCovid quite nicely shows that based on old, less "safe" data.
There's no medical, mathematical or ethical reason to vaccine those people as you are increasing risk. Its a small risk but when you're talking tens of millions, there'll be an unlucky few somewhere who will lose that gamble.
Michael Yeadon has previously argued confidently that existing immunity is bolstered by exposure to similar corona viruses. Hence not Meaningless. And you previously forcefully stated memory cells take over from there more long term and can/will ramp up if needed.
Memory cells have to recognise the pathogen. The whole point is in 15 years time there's likely to have been enough mutation that they wont.
The fact we've seem multiple immune escape variants within 6-12 months is a good indicator of that.
Or are you seriously claiming that these current vaccines, once given, will never ever need to be updated or need any form of booster?
Have you informed AstraZenica of this who have already started making one?
Because if there is need for a booster, you're entire argument about vaccinating now is utterly meaningless.
You're arguing for someone to put themselves at an increased risk to take a treatment that by the time they're in a group to have benefitted they'll need another vaccine anyway.
Its completely contradictory.
etc. etc. you are arguing against things you have previously said yourself.
e.g. To put it simply, immunity isn't as simple as a certain level of ABs.
My point is that your hard cut-off at 50 is arbitrary, stupid and argumentative.
No its not. Go and look up the MHRA or VAERA for the number of adverse reactions per million.
Then go plug some data into qCovid.
Then see where the figures come from.
Again, have you made sure you've had your Ebola, Typhoid and Yellow Fever vaccines this year? If not, why not?