Vaccine opinion around here seems heavily biased against

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Re: Vaccine opinion around here seems heavily biased against

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Freeman Exiled wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:50 pm
You claim the statistics is what's telling what the risk is?
Only observations reveal the risk.
Statistics are comprised from reports and procedures. When your testing methodology is flawed, deaths are misrepresented and overstated, reporting procedures are constantly altered so there can be no consistency and smear tactics are used to cover up your lies, then your statsics are flawed, misrepresented, inconsistent and complete and utter lie!
Observations and statistics are imperfect.

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Freeman Exiled wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:50 pm
"The coroner, Brenda Bock, says two of their five deaths related to COVID-19 were people who died of gunshot wounds," CBS News Denver reports. "Bock says because they tested positive for COVID-19 within the past 30 days, they were classified as 'deaths among cases.'"
I believe the 28 day rule, used in the UK, greatly exaggerates covid19.

And centre for evidence based medicine
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/death-cer ... -of-death/
The WHO guideline are correct that "these deaths are not deaths due to COVID-19 and should not be certified as such:

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So to summarise what you define as statistics;
- A dodgy model by a so called scientist who has been consistently wrong for the last 20 years
I am surprised and disappointed that SAGE have put too much reliance on Prof Ferguson's model.
- a flawed testing procedure giving erratic false negatives and false positives, which was never designed for virus detection
- false claims on death certificates
I have asked my MP to remind the lighthouse labs to ensure the government labs use the standard WHO protocol for analysing test results. And that the WHO advice on death certificates should be followed.

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Freeman Exiled wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:50 pm
- a government controlled by technocrats , a coup d'etat of sorts
- harsh and erratic enforcement, by an overly enthusiastic police force
You and others chose the government and crime commissioner in an election. You/we made a bad choice.
- decisions made behind closed doors, a national disaster called lockdown
- erroneous reporting procedures
- bizzare and random health rules which bear no relation to any form of reality
When you choose poor leaders, you obtain poor results.

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Freeman Exiled wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:50 pm
- and a lapse of discipline amongst the professional classes (doctors,lawyers, journalists, politicians)
I have no say in their behaviour.

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Freeman Exiled wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:50 pm
And you claim this is justification
I don't know what justification you are referring to.
for brutally and forcibly injecting me with an experimental vaccine which utilises experimental gene tech!
There is no justification to brutally and forcibly injecting anyone with any vaccine. The vaccine is safe and effective, vaccine hesitancy is lamentable, but vaccine is now stopping cases now and in two weeks and a bit pubs will start to open across England, we are winning, although other countries may require you to have a certificate, I have no say in that. And some pubs and indoor places may regard you as too risky in this country, I have no say in that.

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fon wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:04 pm
Freeman Exiled wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:50 pm
8 separate replies to the same post, fon.
I do hope you are giving yourself time to think your responses through :D

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Doctors/scientists call: Address Concerns or Halt Delivery

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Extract: 'A group of prominent scientists and doctors want the European Medicines Agency (EMA) to answer “urgent” safety questions about the three COVID-19 vaccines authorised for use in the EU, or withdraw the vaccines’ authorisation.

In an open letter published this week, the group questioned “whether cardinal issues regarding the safety of the vaccines were adequately addressed prior to their approval” by the EMA.

The EMA, which is the EU equivalent of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, approved three vaccines for emergency use in the EU: the Pfizer-BioNtech, Moderna and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines.

In their letter, 12 scientists and doctors noted a “wide range of side effects” is reported following vaccination of previously healthy younger individuals with the gene-based COVID-19 vaccines.

They wrote:

“Moreover, there have been numerous media reports from around the world of care homes being struck by COVID-19 within days of vaccination of residents. While we recognise that these occurrences might, every one of them, have been unfortunate coincidences, we are concerned that there has been and there continues to be inadequate scrutiny of the possible causes of illness or death under these circumstances, and especially so in the absence of post-mortems examinations.”

In their original letter, sent Feb. 28 via email to the EMA, the group asked the EMA to provide responses to seven safety-related issues within ”seven days and address all our concerns substantively. Should you choose not to comply with this reasonable request, we will make this letter public.”

Several of the safety related concerns included in the letter, such as thrombocytopenia, endothelial injury, microthrombi and stroke, have been reported in The Defender.

The authors, led by Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, professor emeritus of medical microbiology and immunology, and former chair, Institute of Medical Microbiology and Hygiene, Johannes Gutenberg University of Mainz, have not yet received a response from the EMA.'

https://principia-scientific.com/top-sc ... st+News%29

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fon wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:04 pm
Freeman Exiled wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:50 pm
And you claim this is justification
I don't know what justification you are referring to.
for brutally and forcibly injecting me with an experimental vaccine which utilises experimental gene tech!
There is no justification to brutally and forcibly injecting anyone with any vaccine. The vaccine is safe and effective, vaccine hesitancy is lamentable, but vaccine is now stopping cases now and in two weeks and a bit pubs will start to open across England, we are winning, although other countries may require you to have a certificate, I have no say in that. And some pubs and indoor places may regard you as too risky in this country, I have no say in that.
Nobody is winning, fon. The only people winning are those who are at the front of this new frontier, the changing paradigm and how the world has to run to keep up. It's another race just like the initial industrial revolution was. The people who made it big were the people who pushed everyone out of the way and got to the front of the line. In the process it's normal people like you who don't have stocks in big pharma, don't hold prestigious job titles, are not involved in the new rollout of all-encompassing digital tech and set to make huge money off government awarded contracts and private-public relationships, your position of power and authority has been reduced down to a peasant who owes his life to the lord of the land and who cannot speak out unless he does so in alternative circles. Just like the only people actually benefiting from the digital world we live in now are the land owners ie the ones who own the infrastructure that much of our daily lives runs on; social media, payment systems, ecommerce, web frameworks and related systems and infrastructure. These are the new lords of the land and everybody else below them are their serfs. You can say 'we' but you really mean the land owner whose given you a very small piece of infertile land to give you the illusion you're in control and you're involved in the process.

There is no evidence the vaccine is stopping cases at all. There is no evidence the vaccine actually works, especially when we cannot even isolate and purify the virus itself and so have no place to start from. The vaccine is treating symptoms, not the disease. Symptoms are subjective and are useless when we cannot objectively and empirically confirm the presence of a disease. When we live in a world that seeks to confirm things changing based on spurious magical thinking we risk going back to the dark ages whereby everything was down to God and when we drank special potions and abided by the church the problems magically disappeared, wow, how did that happen? Must be supernatural! People thought they were doing good things and so continued to worship God and continued to be obedient to the church out of fear their lives would be destroyed. They had become so delusional and detached from reality they really did believe everything could be put down to God and his magical powers. It's not so different to today when you think about it. In reality, it was the church who was responsible for the suffering. That's why we removed the church from power. And most problems seemed to disappear pretty quickly and we were no longer going on witch hunts. So much for special potions and praying.

What you're saying is exactly what a religious fanatic would say. What the church is doing is working and people should appreciate what the church are doing for them. When you try and reason with them and tell them it's actually the church that are brainwashing their subjects and then pretending to be the solution by first creating a problem they will call you a non-believer and shoot you down all while being the next sacrificial lamb to the slaughter, as history shows us.

In two weeks pubs will start opening and will be requiring documentation in order to enter; digital identification, part of the gradual roll-out of the global digital identification program that will ensure everybody is locatable on a system and discriminated against based on whatever rules are apparent at the time. This will gradually turn into a Chinese style social credit system and eventually we will have a centralized world government with all people under this government accountable to this central world government whose lives will be determined by what started out as a COVID-19 vaccine passport. This is the start. All because of a virus nobody can prove existed like it has and for it have been pushed onto people through the destruction of their lives and livelihoods and through over a year of military standard prolonged and premeditated calculated psychological torture.

Of course you have no say in it, because you're a serf. You're a peasant and you belong to the peasantry that is now the global general population who have not climbed to the top of the sociopathic/psychopathic parasite and self-claimed elite class. The only way you can share in any say in these matters is to either be incredibly rich, have a huge social following and/or have some pretty favourable accolades and credentials that can be utilized for the furthering of the agendas.

It won't belong before we are back in the age of feudalism and you'll be saying 'we are winning' while you reach to show the authorities your paperwork for wanting to stretch your legs in the park. You won't own anything. You won't own the right to be in the park. It will be a luxury by then. Anything you're saying now will be a privelege only the few will truly have. Watch what you say today and you'll only be banned from Twitter and Facebook - hardly the end of your life. Watch what you say in the future and you could lose everything because your trusty beloved COVID-19 passport will be tied to everything you do and it will be used to brand you as this or that depending on the then current narrative. You will rent everything and you will be accountable to those who own your life because they virtually own everything in it down to the clothes on your back and the shoes you're walking in.

Winning? Seems like the general population are willing to lose several centuries of hard progress to be treated like worthy people with universal rights, freedoms and liberties just so they can turn up to the pub with a passport under the narrative of a pathalogized threat to society all while all those centuries of progress are etched away gradually until being in a pub will literally be a luxury as will anything else and we will have to ask for basic freedoms, such like serfs did not lightyears away.

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funtimes wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:02 pm
There is no evidence the vaccine is stopping cases at all.

Evidence:
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